tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post115163746037836078..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Orthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1152300950039107942006-07-07T15:35:00.000-04:002006-07-07T15:35:00.000-04:00I hear what your saying, but still for the Meshich...I hear what your saying, but still for the Meshichists to make this issue their only thing to do, is wrong. I don't recall the Rebbe ever telling people that the only thing they have to do is make people accept him as moshiach. It's a perversion of everything The Rebbe wanted from us.Chaimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08236429066890015749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1152215156463405422006-07-06T15:45:00.000-04:002006-07-06T15:45:00.000-04:00Unfortunately, the Rebbe didn't do enough while he...Unfortunately, the Rebbe didn't do enough while he was alive to dissuade people that he might not be Moshiach. It seems, from some of his statements that he encouraged such belief, so it's no surprise that people continued the heresy post-death.<BR/><BR/>Given the tremendous work Chabad does, it's the one pet peeve that this Litvak has with Chabad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1152156352387098042006-07-05T23:25:00.000-04:002006-07-05T23:25:00.000-04:00Chaim-Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am g...Chaim-Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I am glad to know that there is significant opposition to such wastes in Chabad. I know many Lubavitchers that could benefit from from all sorts of services and I hate to see money flushed down the toilet so to speak. <BR/><BR/>The money could better fund shluchim, fund anti-missionary programs (such as Jews for Judaism), feed the poor, or fund education or job training and placement programs right in the community. <BR/><BR/>The point of this post was not to single out Lubavitch by any means, but to highlight just how many precious Yiddishe dollars are being squandered for little to no return. This just happened to be the best example that I have found to date. Unfortunately, time could bring an even better example (but, let's hope not).<BR/><BR/>Hope to see your comments on my shidduchim post. I'd like a variety of opinions, and I know that you would add a lot. So, feel free to chime in. And, I will visit your blog more often. (I need to print that free slurpee coupon you had up just when my printer ran out of ink!)Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1152147496667356702006-07-05T20:58:00.000-04:002006-07-05T20:58:00.000-04:00SephardiLady, my dear friend. I just found this po...SephardiLady, my dear friend. I just found this post while reading the brilliant post you wrote on Shiduchim to which I have a comment as well. Shame on me for not coming here more often. I'll fix that right away by adding this rss feed to my blogreader.<BR/><BR/>Next, onto business as they say. You may not know this, but I am a Lubavitcher and I live in Crown Heights. I was just as sickened when I first passed that Billboard. In fact I said exactly what you wrote here to my wife. I told her, do you know how many Shluchim could benefit from the monies being wasted on such a giant billboard?<BR/><BR/>Every time I hear about a full page ad they take out in the Times I say the same things you have stated here.<BR/><BR/>I must join my fellow Lubablogers Izzy & Itzik of Frumspace fame by joining with their comments.<BR/><BR/>More and more I am seeing that the new generation of Lubavitchers are returning back to normal mainstream Chabad and remembering that the Rebbe had many more Mitvtzah campaigns other than Moshiach.<BR/><BR/>Moshiach is a huge concept and still needs to be talked about and prepared for, but the concept of "WHO" Moshiach is, is not something that needs to be a concern to us. First we need to bring Moshiach, by doing more mitzvahs and making the world a better place. Then let's worry about who he is.<BR/><BR/>I know there are those Lubavitch haters out there that dont want to accept this. They never liked Chabad and were hoping that this "rebbe is moshiach" issue would tear us apart. But it hasn't.<BR/><BR/>The official chabad organizations are very hard at work distancing themselves from people who border on Apikorsus. That's just what it is. I heard a Mishachist the other day tell me that we shouldn't be treating Gimmel Tamuz (The Rebbe's yartzeit) like a special day. He said we should be treating it like any other day, because The Rebbe is still with us. You know what I told him? I told him you are nuts, and what your saying is pure apikorsus. That my friend, is what more and more Lubavitchers are telling these people.<BR/><BR/>It's still a huge problem and there are way too many people who are still in denial, as Itzik said. I feel bad for these people because they obviously never "got" the Rebbe. They never really truly understood what the Rebbe was trying to accomplish. The Rebbe didn't want people to go out and only concentrate on one aspect. The Rebbe spent over 40 years teaching us and telling over Chassidus. He wanted us to do all that we can to BRING Moshaich, not force people to be convinced of who Moshaich is. Sometimes I feel so horrible that the Rebbe isn't with us anymore, for many reasons, obviously. But one main reason would be that the Rebbe himself would have put a stop to these people right away. Same as he did to the women who kept pestering him in the late 80's to reveal that he was Moshiach. As early as bway back then the Rebbe told them not to be concerned with this. Today the Rebbe surely would have put an end to this entire issue.<BR/>It's not about bad PR it's about protecting the Rebbe's legacy. These people who put up these billboards, and take out these ads and only worry about making people "accept his malchus" are not doing the right thing. The Rebbe would not approve of it and it's certainly not in line with The Rebbe's sichas and maimarim.<BR/><BR/>The next time you see such a billboard or such an ad, please remember, in my shul, within my circle of friends and more and more throughout Lubavitch. Those people are dwindling in support and we're finally starting to get over that sad chapter in Chabad's history.<BR/><BR/>All the best,<BR/>Your friend,<BR/>Chaim Rubin.Chaimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08236429066890015749noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1151944422657368532006-07-03T12:33:00.000-04:002006-07-03T12:33:00.000-04:00anonymous: "Will Izzy please state for us that the...anonymous: "Will Izzy please state for us that the Rebbe isn't and can't become Moshiach?"<BR/><BR/>Absolutely! Since the Rebbe died, he is not the Moshiach. And, since, according to most opinions, techiyas hamaisim occurs after the revelation of Moshiach, he will not be Moshiach.<BR/><BR/>A meshichist (just yesterday) told me that this is kefira. If so, then my entire Chabad shul are kofrim. As I have stated in other comments, the meshichistim are still in the first stage of loss: denial. <BR/><BR/>I cannot say that the majority of Chabadniks aren't meshichistim. I have done no poll. But, I personally see more people who have been meshichistim rejoining mainstream Chabad.TechnoYidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16131469748643210648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1151931562383688132006-07-03T08:59:00.000-04:002006-07-03T08:59:00.000-04:00Of course the billboard was a HUGE waste of money....Of course the billboard was a HUGE waste of money. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind saying otherwise.<BR/><BR/>Btw, I have bought the billboard and will be placing it on Park Height Ave :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1151876338100821332006-07-02T17:38:00.000-04:002006-07-02T17:38:00.000-04:001) This organization is not sanctioned either by a...1) This organization is not sanctioned either by any official Chabad organization or by the majority of Chabad chassidim. The billboard was the work of a renegade wannabe organization.<BR/><BR/>2) The billboard is gone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1151824068071696112006-07-02T03:07:00.000-04:002006-07-02T03:07:00.000-04:00Of course you are right, but for the record, I bel...Of course you are right, but for the record, I believe that billboard had only a short tenure there and is long gone. In fact, the NY Times reported some time ago that it had disappeared and was replaced with a sultry gal saying something like 'hey gorgeous, where did you go ?'<BR/><BR/>I assume it was due to lack of funds, don't read too much into it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1151813294003064642006-07-02T00:08:00.000-04:002006-07-02T00:08:00.000-04:00The grandiose sum of money spent by the Lubavitch ...<I>The grandiose sum of money spent by the Lubavitch Women's Organization and other organizations to promote a false Messiah totals well beyond the $20,000 a month (read: $240,000 a year) it costs to maintain this single billboard seen on the West Side Highway near Lincoln Tunnel</I><BR/><BR/>yeah. imagine how much the Catholic Church spends ;-)ADDeRabbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749876612695930184noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1151807518213029742006-07-01T22:31:00.000-04:002006-07-01T22:31:00.000-04:00The $240,000 would pay the full tuition for eleven...The $240,000 would pay the full tuition for eleven students in the local MO HS in my nbhd.Charlie Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17667135360784254574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1151693914062821052006-06-30T14:58:00.000-04:002006-06-30T14:58:00.000-04:00I challenge anyone to find any Lubavitch-connected...I challenge anyone to find any Lubavitch-connected organization, whether "Meshichist" or not, that considers the Rebbe not to be Moshiach, now or ever. <BR/><BR/>The damage Izzy refers to in 5)is probably the damage of bad publicity. <BR/><BR/>Will Izzy please state for us that the Rebbe isn't and can't become Moshiach?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1151688276984620212006-06-30T13:24:00.000-04:002006-06-30T13:24:00.000-04:001) Jewish Women United is not part of Nshei Ubnos ...1) Jewish Women United is not part of Nshei Ubnos Chabad.<BR/><BR/>2) Nshei is more properly called Chabad Women's Organization. There is no "Lubavitch Women's Organization."<BR/><BR/>3) Nshei is not affiliated with any of the meshichistic nonsense.<BR/><BR/>4) I fully agree with you that the money spent would be much better spent on folk who need the <B>physical</B> necessities of life.<BR/><BR/>5) The meshichistim are, in general, oblivious to the damage they do to Judaism and Chabad in particular. Thank G-d, there are many places where their influence is dimishing.TechnoYidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16131469748643210648noreply@blogger.com