tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post117035830461484198..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Orthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1171636986646018882007-02-16T09:43:00.000-05:002007-02-16T09:43:00.000-05:00Personally, I think this is a shanda (sic). So ma...Personally, I think this is a shanda (sic). So many people are poor and need clothing. It's not the same issue as the Indian sheitels, even though those could have been sent to a cancer organization for chemo patients. It's not too hard to turn a lot of possibly non-tznius clothing into "acceptable", maybe not for Charedim, but for "mainstream" frum people. I've sewn up plenty of slits and/or put in kick-pleats. What's a tight shirt on one person, fits fine on someone smaller, and layering also works wonders. <BR/>Question about the tights - are all colors out - or just red?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170870510541426472007-02-07T12:48:00.000-05:002007-02-07T12:48:00.000-05:00According to the article, people were "convinced t...According to the article, people were "convinced to put their clothing up in flames" when they were handed vouchers for different, more tznua clothing. New clothes in exchange for old stuff you don't wear, who wouldn't go for that?<BR/><BR/>Why burn the clothes and not turn them into spare buttons and dishrags? For one thing, spare buttons and dishrags aren't worth that much--by burning one barrel of clothing, they burned maybe 50NIS worth of dishrags. <BR/><BR/>For two thing, it's a protest. All protests cost money, if only because time spent protesting could have been spent working. In this case, they made an investment in clothing vouchers to make sure their protest would get maximum publicity. You are a good example here. If all they had done was get up and make a few speeches, would you, who live on another continent, ever have heard about it? Probably not. Now, thanks to some nice, newsworthy photos of OMG CRAZY FUNDAMENTALISTS BURNING THINGS, you have. I don't think these people care that most of the publicity has been negative. They got the word out, and they did it in a relatively efficient manner.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170685470322154362007-02-05T09:24:00.000-05:002007-02-05T09:24:00.000-05:00MominIsrael-Exactly what did the Rebbe do with the...MominIsrael-Exactly what did the Rebbe do with the "Old Testament" part?Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170666377429355932007-02-05T04:06:00.000-05:002007-02-05T04:06:00.000-05:00Some years back in Bet Shemesh a teacher took his ...Some years back in Bet Shemesh a teacher took his students outside to burn a New Testament. The family of one of the students had been given one by missionaries and inadvertently brought it to school.mother in israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13715046177293916034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170645254485303982007-02-04T22:14:00.000-05:002007-02-04T22:14:00.000-05:00'Why are MEN be obsessed with the way women dress?...'Why are MEN be obsessed with the way women dress? Isn't that by definition not tzniusdik? '<BR/><BR/>Rabbi Y. H. Henkin makes that point in his "Contemporary Tzniut" article that was published in *Tradition* a few years ago.<BR/><BR/>I don't see why they could not have given the clothing to communities where they would be considered acceptible. I've had rabbis who don't use public eruvim ask me to carry things for them on Shabat!Charlie Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17667135360784254574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170568221965436162007-02-04T00:50:00.000-05:002007-02-04T00:50:00.000-05:00come on, didn't they burn Indian hair wigs in bonf...come on, didn't they burn Indian hair wigs in bonfires a few years ago? There's already the insanity precedent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170550737789529892007-02-03T19:58:00.000-05:002007-02-03T19:58:00.000-05:00the question of burning clothing for a purpose is ...the question of burning clothing for a purpose is discussed with respect to the practice of some at Meron on Lag baOmer -- they should have waited until then for a public burning to have more of a precedent for the bonfires.Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170536276299523722007-02-03T15:57:00.000-05:002007-02-03T15:57:00.000-05:00No different than not being allowed to get hana'ah...No different than not being allowed to get hana'ah from treif or avodah zara, people with a very zealous and black and white view of the world would probably assume the same applies for anything else that is deemed assur. <BR/>Furthermore, I am unfrotunately not at all surprised by their method of disposing of these items. The Chareidi community at large has a tenency to make a big hullabaloo over every proclamation and/or idea that comes up. Do we dare say - Gay Pride Parade? - speaking of a lack of tzniut...tmeishar:https://www.blogger.com/profile/10834102883810511507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170388755524341212007-02-01T22:59:00.000-05:002007-02-01T22:59:00.000-05:00Sephardi Lady,While you are intelligent and well-i...Sephardi Lady,<BR/><BR/>While you are intelligent and well-intentioned, you are being naive. These people aren't rational, nor are they following God's Torah. If you would indeed interact with this discriminating (and I obviously don't mean that in a positive way) community of fools and reshaim, you would be <I>pasul</I> for the very things that make you unique.<BR/><BR/>1. Sephardi<BR/>2. Lady<BR/>3. SephardiLady<BR/>4. Obviously educated<BR/>5. respectfully critical<BR/><BR/>Don't waste your time trying to extract any logic from these menuvalim <I>b'li</I> reshus HaTorah...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170373595920145812007-02-01T18:46:00.000-05:002007-02-01T18:46:00.000-05:00Mike S., clunky are probably platform shoes. They'...Mike S., clunky are probably platform shoes. They're probably immodest because they attract attention.<BR/><BR/>People seem to be choosing the "important" mitzvah too much, while doing something wrong at the same time. Wasting clothing is just one example. Why can men Beat up a woman who is sitting on the "men's side" of a non-Mehadrin bus? What about being shomer negiah and being a mentch and being mevater? Why can schools try to force everyone to be the same, instead of teaching "al pi darco?" <BR/><BR/>Why are MEN be obsessed with the way women dress? Isn't that by definition not tzniusdik?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170370370000451472007-02-01T17:52:00.000-05:002007-02-01T17:52:00.000-05:00By the way, what is meant by "clunky shoes", and w...By the way, what is meant by "clunky shoes", and why are they immodest?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170370236160239152007-02-01T17:50:00.000-05:002007-02-01T17:50:00.000-05:00There is a Talmudic discussion between two Tannaim...There is a Talmudic discussion between two Tannaim (R. Akiva and R. Yochanon ben Nuri, IIRC) over an issue of kasrut, in which 1 Tanna( I think R. Yochanon) accuses the other of feeding people traif, and the other (I think R. Akiva) retorts that his colleague is wasting their money. So this is not a new issue. <BR/><BR/>In this case, where the clothing could have bben used for other purposes ranging from clothing for differently sized individuals to being resewn into other items, it seems particularly pointless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170368160942804622007-02-01T17:16:00.000-05:002007-02-01T17:16:00.000-05:00My Rabbi has often said that a stringency in one h...My Rabbi has often said that a stringency in one halakhah always creates a leniency in another (I believe he was quoting the Rav zt"l). I think he is correct in this assessment - one who is excessively worried about <I>tzniut</I> will (in this case) be <I>over</I> on <I>ba'al tashhit</I>. <BR/><BR/>The Torah does say that we are not to deviate from God's law to the right or to the left...Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16491386537225283381noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1170358558556865712007-02-01T14:35:00.000-05:002007-02-01T14:35:00.000-05:00They could donate the tight clothes to someone sma...They could donate the tight clothes to someone smaller ;-).mother in israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13715046177293916034noreply@blogger.com