tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post1212744932967960157..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Guest Post: How Would You Feel About this Tuition Gimmick Reduction?Orthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-76772515554043099032017-02-19T18:51:34.660-05:002017-02-19T18:51:34.660-05:00Just got my check for $500.
Many times people don...<b>Just got my check for $500.</b><br /><br />Many times people don't believe me when I tell them about how much you can earn <b>taking paid surveys</b> online...<br /><br />So I show them a video of myself actually <a href="http://opinion-surveys.syntaxlinks.com/r/TakeSurveysForCash" rel="nofollow"><b>getting paid over $500</b></a> for doing paid surveys.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287821785570247118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-31548559407489392602010-05-14T00:48:01.353-04:002010-05-14T00:48:01.353-04:00mlevin,
A gentleman I knew made a pretty penny re...mlevin,<br /><br />A gentleman I knew made a pretty penny recruiting lawyers for various firms. The key time frame was 4-7 years at a firm, when the person realizes that they aren't making partner and needs to move on.<br /><br />They had a bunch of firms always looking for mid career talent, and they would call firms hunting around for people that would "raise their hand" and be open to being recruited. That also might mean retaking the Bar Exam in their new state.<br /><br />Computer professional jobs use more online networking and less off line networking, and it relatively portable.<br /><br />Doctors in private practice are stuck, as they have a practice. Those that work for others or in a hospital, totally portable.<br /><br />Unless you are in a service business doing sales, most of your skill sets are portable within the US. Also, in rapidly growing areas like Houston, nobody is that established, and there are just WAY more opportunities opening up for newcomers, in a way that would make NYers heads spin.Miami Alnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-59340692722306993452010-05-12T22:26:22.698-04:002010-05-12T22:26:22.698-04:00Avi - the conversation up above was about ease of ...Avi - the conversation up above was about ease of portability of lawyers, doctors and computer people (don't remember the exact wording and am too lazy too look it up.) both lawyers and doctors said that unless it is someone young, their professions are not easily portable, but no one said anything about computers, making it sound like all computer professionals can easily move around and get jobs.<br /><br />There are jobs which are easily portable such as nursing and writting, but those were not discussed for some reasons. And of course everyone needs light bulbs, but I don't know anything about that business to make any suggestions.mlevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831542484906424230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-33976459782868649862010-05-11T22:23:05.418-04:002010-05-11T22:23:05.418-04:00mlevin,
Yes, all these industries use computers. ...mlevin,<br /><br />Yes, all these industries use computers. They also use light bulbs. Why not recommend that the tristate area is great because there's plenty of work for electricians and maintenance workers? You seem to be referring to "computers" as "fixing and keeping servers and productivity software running." Indeed, a large diverse economy has many of these relatively low paying jobs. Good luck supporting a frum family and paying taxes/tuition/housing costs with those jobs.<br /><br />I'll grant you the financial industry (I already did in my original comment), but if you are a talented programmer, you aren't going to work in real estate, shmata, movie, tv, import/export, UN, tourism or architecture. You're going to work in technology, where your skills are valued because they are part of the sales/production side of the house, not a cost of doing business, like janitorial services and payroll (which are often outsourced). Now, there is Silicon Alley in NY - which you didn't mention - so if you're doing web 2.0 content creation or server architecture, NY really may be your place, though Silicon Valley and, hey! Seattle, are still at least as strong according to my contacts.Avi Greengarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14267040237664555562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-27404364200716888972010-05-11T02:41:25.937-04:002010-05-11T02:41:25.937-04:00Avi - I said that there is a chance to get a job i...Avi - I said that there is a chance to get a job in Seattle after you lose your current one, but the pool of jobs available is not as wide as tristate. <br /><br />In tristate there is Banking and wall street (there are a few stock exchanges and commodity exchange and other exchanges located) and real estate and publishing and movie industry and tv industry and shmata business and music business and higher education and commerce inmort/export and international ie UN and traveling/tourism architecture and department stores to list a few major ones. There is a reason why NYC is called a capital of the world. All of these industries use computers and need people to hire. Seattle is a drop in a bucket compared to it.mlevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831542484906424230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-3314450331168897262010-05-11T00:05:11.101-04:002010-05-11T00:05:11.101-04:00Outside of Aliyah, nobody moves first/finds job la...Outside of Aliyah, nobody moves first/finds job later. Nobody. So I think that concern is just ridiculous. <br /><br />I love the idea of promoting OOT communities, because the myopic people here in NY/NJ don't even consider it. The job opportunities and lower housing and tax costs ought to be enough on their own, though. I don't know that you should have to offer tuition discounts, too. Just spend some money advertising; that money would be well spent to ensure continued growth. <br /><br />Oh, and if you lose a "computer" job in Seattle, you have pretty good chance of finding another one. Microsoft, amazon,T-Mobile, clearwire, Nintendo USA, drugstore.com, Getty, corbis, RealNetworks, not to mention Boeing, REI, and Costco are all located there. If you're doing banking tech, then the NY area is your best bet. And there is a tremendous variety to the economy overall in NY/NJ. But seriously, the notion that you have to live here for stable tech employment is just plain stupid.Avi Greengarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14267040237664555562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1733252755074794572010-05-10T14:34:51.616-04:002010-05-10T14:34:51.616-04:00We've had similar length careers. I suspect we...We've had similar length careers. I suspect we're of a similar age. <br /><br />I have chosen to relocate in the past because I wanted to be in a different part of the country.<br /><br />I have chosen to relocate in the past because there was a particular job that I thought was going to be interesting and rewarding. (*)<br /><br />I have never had to relocate because I couldn't find competively paying jobs where I was. <br /><br />I have friends and colleagues in all those areas who have remained over the decades, all gainfully employed. <br /><br />Now, as it happens, I don't intend to relocate, because I am quite happy where I am. And I happen to live in one of the regions you declared would require relocation if a job was lost. And if the steady unsolicited recruitments are any indicator, I won't have that problem.<br /><br />(*) In no case was there a job I actually wanted in New York, as it happened.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391023891253673160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-17373934212029144772010-05-10T14:11:19.105-04:002010-05-10T14:11:19.105-04:00Dave - where did I say that they end up moving to ...Dave - where did I say that they end up moving to NY. I said they must be open to relocating. Meaning there are fewer (much fewer) job opportunities in their area and they have to pick up the family and move. Moves cost money. Buying and selling houses cost money. Children get uprooted. There are many negatives to living like that. <br /><br />I HATE MOVING. I DO NOT WANT TO MOVE EVER AGAIN.mlevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831542484906424230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-5527990979049236822010-05-10T13:46:56.614-04:002010-05-10T13:46:56.614-04:00Per above, the families attracted are likely to ha...Per above, the families attracted are likely to have small and growing families. Thus, the tuition subsidy sounds more attractive than it actually would be. It seems like a very good way of positioning and grabbing attention. Then, let the community sell itself.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-30988880401842404682010-05-10T13:37:24.182-04:002010-05-10T13:37:24.182-04:00Taken from the Robert M. Beren Academy's websi...Taken from the Robert M. Beren Academy's website:<br />ECE18 mos. – 3 yrs. (till noon) $6,100<br />ECE 4 yrs. (till 2 PM) $7,960<br />Kindergarten (till 2 PM) $10,170<br />Grades 1* – 5 $14,110<br />Grade 6 Montessori $14,110<br />Grades 6 - 8 $15,500<br />Grades 9 – 12 $17,375<br /><br />Not exactly inexpensive, but on par with many "out of town" Modern Orthodox communities.<br /><br />My husband and I are also techies (or as he likes to put it - a two-geek family). More specifically, we're both programmers. And neither of us have lived in NY at any time during our careers. Even so, we have done just fine finding good jobs, even during economic downturns, without having to consider NY as a requirement for the next good job (though relocation opportunities have come up from time to time). IT jobs are pretty plentiful in most major metropolitan areas these days.<br /><br />We have seriously considered Houston even before this latest "promotion" (maybe a better term than gimmick?) appeared. And while it's possibly more doable for us than some because we happen to have some extended family there, we would certainly never consider a relocation without a job in hand (with the exception of aliyah). I can't imagine too many people would. <br /><br />But these ad campaigns do a good service of letting prospective job seekers know where to focus a search if they're looking to get out of wherever they're currently living. Another small-ish community ran a similar campaign a few years ago (minus the massive tuition discounts). A common thread with these sorts of campaigns seems to be that they have resources to assist in a job search in advance of a move to the area.tovarenahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11315139041035301936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-55412571885526316272010-05-10T13:19:21.639-04:002010-05-10T13:19:21.639-04:00Do you seriously think that the people in Seattle,...Do you seriously think that the people in Seattle, Silicon Valley, Austin, Raleigh, Boston, etc, all end up moving to New York?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391023891253673160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-29107837928724091482010-05-10T13:06:16.871-04:002010-05-10T13:06:16.871-04:00Yes, all those places hire people, but they tend t...Yes, all those places hire people, but they tend to "renew" their staff every 6-8 years. In my shul we have programmers from all aspects of the field(Including operators and engineers). PC, mid range and mainframes. Only one of them has had his job for 30+ years, everyone else has been downsized every now and then. Half of my family is in computers, the same story. Now with the younger generation, I have two relatives who into PCs (installation, configurations and etc.) same story. In this relatively young field, companies are replacing old timers. Silicon Valley hires young geeks and their average is about five years, then they either go into management or leave the field altogether. Seattle is a bit more stable, but if you lose a job in Seattle, what are your chances of finding another job in Seattle? Chances are you will end up moving to where the software clients are. <br /><br />Like I said, I had been in this field for 23+ years. Half of my family is there too. I can't even start listing how many people I know who moved out for a "better job" and then moved back in to this area because of better job prospects.mlevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831542484906424230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-88029491280359877772010-05-10T12:53:34.335-04:002010-05-10T12:53:34.335-04:00Saying you are a computer professional is like say...Saying you are a computer professional is like saying you work in healthcare. You could be a neurosurgeon, the CEO of a health insurer, a life sciences bioengineer with a phd, an x-ray tech, or an lpn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-92181069113633094362010-05-10T12:27:11.693-04:002010-05-10T12:27:11.693-04:00Seriously, you are arguing that New York is a bett...Seriously, you are arguing that New York is a better place for a computer professional to look for work than:<br /><br />San Francisco Bay (Silicon Valley)<br />Boston (Rt-128)<br />Austin (Silicon Gulch)<br />SeattleDavehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391023891253673160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-65273440789678397162010-05-10T12:25:14.503-04:002010-05-10T12:25:14.503-04:00One piece of information that we don't have is...One piece of information that we don't have is what the tuition is at present in the school in Houston. If lower cost of living combines with a fairly low tuition, then it is quite possible that there are few people in the school requiring tuition assistance right now, so offering a four-year plan to any newcomers won't put a crimp in the budget. If tuition is on the higher end what does the school have in place to avoid persistent raises that would result in more parents having to ask for tuition assistance?<br /><br />And just a comment about "the computer field." Now there's a job description that says absolutely nothing. Businesses of all kinds are computer reliant today, and most have someone working on-site to take care of computer needs. Not everything associated with computers is about being a programmer, and even there there are multiple types of programmers. There are plenty of jobs in that "computer" field outside of the NY area, and the professional journals in the field have long pointed out that the sunbelt and surrounding states are where the action is.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-59811366852460098102010-05-10T12:04:05.153-04:002010-05-10T12:04:05.153-04:00SL:
i was responding more to the naysayers who do...SL:<br /><br />i was responding more to the naysayers who don't live there and look for excuses why it won't work.<br /><br />but i thought was a good point from the community's perspective. <br /><br />i would have assumed that there is some type of vetting process to ensure that new families don't become lifetime scholarship cases?Lion of Zionnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-2100207292678254932010-05-10T11:50:18.195-04:002010-05-10T11:50:18.195-04:00LOZ-the reason I put this guest post up was not to...LOZ-the reason I put this guest post up was not to reject the idea of young people seeking more affordable communities. If my husband had a great job offer in Houston tomorrow (full tuition or discounted), I'd be very interested in packing up. <br /><br />What I think is interesting is the view of the poster regarding how parents feel about this tuition reduction program. I do see some merit in wondering what type of families will come, if they will be able to meet full tuition in the long run, how an influx of students will affect the services current students receive, etc.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-56132156129851681702010-05-10T11:47:59.314-04:002010-05-10T11:47:59.314-04:00From Wikipedia:
Until 1999, New York City had a c...From Wikipedia:<br /><br /><i>Until 1999, New York City had a commuter tax, and there are periodic calls for its reinstatement.[2][3] A commuter tax in New York City would have to have support from the State Legislature in order for reinstatement, and since the majority of state legislators represent people who do not live in New York City, the tax tends to be unpopular.[4]</i>tesyaanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-72248088233115058072010-05-10T11:46:45.666-04:002010-05-10T11:46:45.666-04:00MLEVIN:
i just double checked with a friend of mi...MLEVIN:<br /><br />i just double checked with a friend of mine who works in NYC and recently moved from brooklyn to woodmere. his takehome pay is now $200 more (biweekly)Lion of Zionhttp://agmk.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-57696567657321566002010-05-10T11:41:30.488-04:002010-05-10T11:41:30.488-04:00mlevin: what type of computer professionals are y...mlevin: what type of computer professionals are you talking about? Working for hi-tech companies developing the next cutting edge development -- or are talking about being the IT manager for a non-hi tech company. What about hardware development? "Computer professional" covers a lot of territory and for some areas, I'm not so sure that NYC is the best place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-31936263655843570132010-05-10T11:41:22.571-04:002010-05-10T11:41:22.571-04:00"Lion - if you live outside of NYC, but work ...<b>"Lion - if you live outside of NYC, but work in NYC you are still paying NYC taxes." </b><br /><br />This is just not true. The "commuter tax" was taken away YEARS ago. Every five years or so there are rumblings about bringing it back, but Albany is unlikely to let that happen. I don't know why people think the commuter tax is still in existence.tesyaanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-68535649588570747622010-05-10T11:41:00.727-04:002010-05-10T11:41:00.727-04:00NYC is a thriving and bustling metropolis, with ma...NYC is a thriving and bustling metropolis, with many advantages.<br /><br />However, Houston's economic growth has been higher than NYC for decades, and has many advantages for someone starting out.<br /><br />Also, out here in the sunbelt, the work ethic is less, and people from "up north" are seen in high demand, as they bring professionalism and a work ethic, plus an education, not always available from the local talent pool.<br /><br />A 25 year old with 3 years in a NYC firm may be shocked at how well they do trying to relocate. You might find a 10%-20% salary hit for a 50% cost of living adjustment.<br /><br />There is a reason population has been leaving the northeast for the southeast and southwest, which the 2010 Census will nicely measure and confirm.Miami Alnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-22061954286838260222010-05-10T11:20:34.071-04:002010-05-10T11:20:34.071-04:00Tesyaa - In NYC property taxes are low, and your c...Tesyaa - In NYC property taxes are low, and your city tax is proportional to your salary. So, if you are retired or without a job, your city tax is low, so you cannot equate it with high property tax outside of NYC. And yes, we are renting our basement legally. You'd be surprised, but there are tax advantages to renting it out legally as well as an insurance, that if you have a bad tenant, government will aide you in eviction. If you don't do it legally you would be hit by numerous fines from all types of agencies, until they will be willing to help you to evict the freeloader.<br /><br />Dave - there are more computer jobs in tristate area then there are in oot area, so the chances of you finding a job in the comnutable area in oot are much smaller and therefor, the chances are you would be relocating.<br /><br />ProfK - Even with downcycles, houses are still higher in price then they were 20-30 years ago. So, in your retirement you can sell it and move to a warmer climate. I hear you can get a nice condo in Florida for 35K. Imagine you sell your house that is around 600K in this down market and buy something else for 35K. I see it as a nice nest egg. <br /><br />Regarding moving at an earlier age, see my comment about job availabilities above.<br /><br />Lion - this house is in Brooklyn, legal two family where you are allowed to rent out your basement. The income from the rent alone covers the taxes and heating and maintenance fees. There is always a possibility if you need cash to rent out your garage or even a driveway. That's additional income that comes from simply owning a house in NY.<br /><br />Lion - if you live outside of NYC, but work in NYC you are still paying NYC taxes. <br /><br />To all - I was talking from a computer professional point of view. Moving oot is not a good idea. For a young lawyer and a young doctor it would be a great idea because once their practice is built, they are set and do not need to worry about looking for "another job". Of course there is another plus to NY, like many restaurants, choice of shuls, family and friends...mlevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831542484906424230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-26118082974628372802010-05-10T11:04:21.402-04:002010-05-10T11:04:21.402-04:00Anon 10:37: I don't think anyone is suggestin...Anon 10:37: I don't think anyone is suggesting that someone pick up and move before getting a job, particularly if you already have a job. However, if you are young and don't have a job or are just graduating and deciding where to job hunt, why not consider other options. <br /><br />Staying in NY if that's what you love or don't want to leave family and/or friends is terrific. Staying because of inertia may not be so fine.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-86418903595821340372010-05-10T10:37:34.170-04:002010-05-10T10:37:34.170-04:00In these matters, one size does not fit all. Each...In these matters, one size does not fit all. Each family has to weigh its own particular pros and cons, both objective and subjective, about moving. It's hard to imagine giving up a job in the old city until one is found in the new one, especially in this ecomomy. A new city may have jobs, but the main thing is jobs that suit your goals, talents, and needs.<br /><br />Pilot trips and candid talks with local people (especially those who moved in from elsewhere, maybe from your own city) who don't have axes to grind are essential.<br /><br />Losing friends in the old city is not a minor thing, either.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com