tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post2344548725021257536..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Employment: Frankly, I Wouldn't Want to Sit Down for a MeetingOrthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-7281387740632525452011-05-26T12:05:41.724-04:002011-05-26T12:05:41.724-04:00False innuendo of discrimination is obviously nast...False innuendo of discrimination is obviously nasty.<br /><br />However, I don't see the harm in asking "why aren't there more of group X in this field?", and then working in a positive way to identify possible barriers to participation, and better ways to overcome them. Isn't this what affirmative action programs have been doing for years?<br /><br />Obviously, the banks should give the same consideration to the "presented" candidates that they do to the regular online ones, as opposed to special treatment. It's possible, though, they no one had actually considered that a group wouldn't be applying due to lack of internet access.<br /><br />The flip side, of course, is that any organization genuinely committed to helping frum Jews get jobs should review job search strategies, and make sure that candidates have a way of getting online. [I wonder if any part of this reflects an odd generational gap as well. My parents and in-laws were shocked when I mentioned that I get most of my clients through my website. Perhaps in Brooklyn, those who are part of the working world are more likely to be older, and folks are therefore getting outdated advice?]Law momhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01859590966207623757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-70684556130782684262011-05-15T09:51:21.736-04:002011-05-15T09:51:21.736-04:001. Jews, in particular, should establish the pert...1. Jews, in particular, should establish the pertinent facts before going public with any complaint or demand.<br /><br />2. The most relevant question for seriously Jewish politicians is "why are you still a Democrat?" It seems that the most unseemly tactics of non-Jewish Democratic politicans are being copied by some of ours, which is a sure sign of assimilation.Bob Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-91159971847983119152011-05-10T10:27:32.182-04:002011-05-10T10:27:32.182-04:00http://njjewishnews.com/article/middlesex/perfect-...http://njjewishnews.com/article/middlesex/perfect-storm-forces-closure-of-orthodox-schoolAbba's Rantingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-60492899275804906622011-05-09T12:02:30.376-04:002011-05-09T12:02:30.376-04:00Our local Chase has a number of Frum individuals o...Our local Chase has a number of Frum individuals on staff. Perhaps it is only Boro Park Jews who are being disciminated against.<br /><br />Or perhaps the Frum Jews at the local Cahse branch speak English, and have customer interaction standards (will look at women when speaking to them, etc.) that will not lose the bank money and beg for a sexual discrimination lawsuit.Nephew of Frum Actuarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-36979319183101854632011-05-09T09:54:35.925-04:002011-05-09T09:54:35.925-04:00http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/05/09/3087615...http://www.jta.org/news/article/2011/05/09/3087615/baltimores-yeshivat-rambam-day-school-announces-closingAbba's Rantingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-39463441100596670422011-05-08T22:43:03.791-04:002011-05-08T22:43:03.791-04:00Chaim B.,
"These same type tactics are pract...Chaim B.,<br /><br />"These same type tactics are practiced by other ethnic groups in NY."<br /><br />Yes it is.<br /><br />Which ethnic group that practices this do you believe is the model group that Orthodox Jews should base themselves on to get ahead in America?Miami Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02977503720972852329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-6600575544397881562011-05-08T13:44:23.463-04:002011-05-08T13:44:23.463-04:00BTW, to clarify, I think it is absolutely, 100% no...BTW, to clarify, I think it is absolutely, 100% noble, to inquire into each and every type of job that is out there in an effort to get Jews to work. <br /><br />I don't think insinuating wrong doing is helpful to the community in the long run. Perhaps in the short term the banks will bring people in. In the long run, "affirmative action" can have a downside for the very people it serves.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-40460229592154303342011-05-08T13:35:53.669-04:002011-05-08T13:35:53.669-04:00Mike S.--. . . .and then apply as instructed, &quo...Mike S.--. . . .and then apply as instructed, "through the bank's regular recruitment mechanisms." Yes, the manager will tell you where to apply online!<br /><br />In fact, I did inquire about banking jobs, grocery jobs, and jobs at Target when we thought we were about to have a bit of a cash crunch and I needed something quick with odd shifts. When I inquired about jobs at Target, e.g., I was pointed to the in-store terminals to apply for a job. <br /><br />My understanding is that employers want to see that potential employees have enough competence to follow instructions and judge some of that by the ability to follow instructions. So if the employer wants a cover letter, write a cover letter. If the employer indicates something else is needed, do that. <br /><br />The discussion of whether or not frum staff is good for business is something I choose not to speculate on.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-22889345292597355442011-05-08T12:54:26.337-04:002011-05-08T12:54:26.337-04:00I am not so sure I agree. The original "Affi...I am not so sure I agree. The original "Affirmative Action" was precisely for business that had not been welcoming to Blacks or women in the past to advertise in places where Blacks and women would see the advertisement to encourage applications. Even if the banks haven't quite realized it, it might well be a decent idea for them, assuming that having frum staff will be good for their local business.<br /><br />Also, I am not sure when you last applied for a job, but if you walk in and ask to talk to a manager about applying for work you are fairly likely to be told to leave and apply on line.Mike S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-77591854413844584282011-05-08T12:44:44.954-04:002011-05-08T12:44:44.954-04:00These same type tactics are practiced by other eth...These same type tactics are practiced by other ethnic groups in NY. You can even get the fed. gvt. involved in the shakedown if you can even raise a suspicion that a business is not hiring the "right" quota of blacks, women, etc. My employer does a yearly survey to make sure it meets its "diversity" standards.chaim b.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-48926039859088020742011-05-07T22:27:01.067-04:002011-05-07T22:27:01.067-04:00If the bank's saw a need, they would have been...If the bank's saw a need, they would have been recruiting themselves, without being shaken down by a politician.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391023891253673160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-62803633454832794732011-05-07T21:28:39.863-04:002011-05-07T21:28:39.863-04:00SL:
i'm going to have disagree with your post...SL:<br /><br />i'm going to have disagree with your post (first time for everything). certain types of service businesses in the outer boroughs *very* often staff based on local demographics. so with banks, go into a bank on eighth ave in brooklyn and all the workers will be asian. go to kings highway and they're all russian. etc. same for pharmacies, etc. (i remember once at a job fair the reps for one business were all over the frum students because they needed to staff a store in a frum neighborhood)<br /><br />any business that involves more interaction than just "that'll be 23.99" will go out of their way to hire staff that speaks the same language and shares the culture of the local demographic.<br /><br />yes, it is possible they didn't have enough frum applicants, but why not? i can't believe that there aren't enough qualified frum jews in all of brooklyn to work in a bank. you don't need an MBAAbba's Rantingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-83983821105003627282011-05-07T20:54:25.453-04:002011-05-07T20:54:25.453-04:00Orthonomics,
What else is there? This is a shake...Orthonomics,<br /><br />What else is there? This is a shakedown to employ people that aren't looking for jobs at the banks based on the organization's criteria.<br /><br />This is straight out of the Rev. Al Sharpton's playbook. The collapse from proud upwardly mobile Jewish immigrants into inner city minority special interest group is nearly complete in just two generations.Miami Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02977503720972852329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-79528030317348693462011-05-07T16:48:10.118-04:002011-05-07T16:48:10.118-04:00Sorry, hate to be annoying, but it's Hikind no...Sorry, hate to be annoying, but it's Hikind not Hinkind.Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-38882740647532385962011-05-06T16:51:20.001-04:002011-05-06T16:51:20.001-04:00Oh. The irony. It's killing me.
JS--It is cla...<i>Oh. The irony. It's killing me.</i><br /><br />JS--It is classic!<br /><br />Miami Al-I wouldn't go that far. I just found the idea that the banks need a 3rd party involved with "vetting" resumes to be ridiculous.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-13638060743258954642011-05-06T16:41:11.960-04:002011-05-06T16:41:11.960-04:00Sounds like a shakedown to demand classified reven...Sounds like a shakedown to demand classified revenues for the Yiddish newspapers. Everyone else is moving to electronic resumes and databases, but jobs for the boys comes first.<br /><br />Also sounds like this organization doesn't want jobs to go to the most qualified by the banks standards, sounds like a jobs program for people from the right families with the right connections.Miami Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02977503720972852329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1067365919472342422011-05-06T16:16:54.975-04:002011-05-06T16:16:54.975-04:00Hkind should also engage in month long surveys of ...Hkind should also engage in month long surveys of the Boro Park housecleaning industry, child care industry, grocery store industry, sanitation workers industry, etc. I bet they hire few Orthodox Jews from Boro Park as well.<br /><br />It MUST be discrimination. It can't possibly be that Jews aren't applying for such jobs, right? Right!JSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-13752831830301521572011-05-06T16:14:08.856-04:002011-05-06T16:14:08.856-04:00You have got to be kidding me. Right? Please?
I...You have got to be kidding me. Right? Please?<br /><br />I love this:<br />"...asking the banks to post vacancies in Jewish and Yiddish publications, as the community doesn't as a whole use the internet."<br /><br />and this:<br />"Those who are interested in being considered for positions at local banks should e-mail a résumé and cover letter to jobs@epinetworking.org"<br /><br />Oh. The irony. It's killing me.JSnoreply@blogger.com