tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post289351051102067928..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Orthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-21910424291204824792008-01-31T10:44:00.000-05:002008-01-31T10:44:00.000-05:00"SephardiLady, excellent post! It is right on the ..."SephardiLady, excellent post! It is right on the money :-)" I love the irony of this phrase for this post. But, of course, I agree completely. And thank you for pointing out those posts of mine. As the spring issue of Kallah Magazine is in the works, I can tell you that the Ms. Maven column is on exactly this point. You and she must be on the same wavelength.<BR/><BR/>For all those citing the high cost of babysitting, I know that we also rarely went out when a babysitter was needed. Aside from the expense, just finding someone willing and available took many phone calls. And no one seemed inclined to a swap. Sometimes the grandparents watched them for us for a special occasion like an anniversary. But we did not go out on a weekly or even monthly basis. It is so great to have teenage kids who can watch the younger ones.Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-23472790708334424572008-01-29T16:19:00.000-05:002008-01-29T16:19:00.000-05:00I second Tricat. I have enjoyed going to the kolle...I second Tricat. I have enjoyed going to the kollel dinner. I also enjoy going out to friends on Shabbos. <BR/><BR/>SL, a quote I found very helpful.<BR/>"Don't confuse frugality with depriving yourself." Jonni McCoy, Miserly Moms as quoted in antohyer book.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-57468464928452390402008-01-29T16:04:00.000-05:002008-01-29T16:04:00.000-05:00YAY! My husband just read to me that the U.S. is ...YAY! My husband just read to me that the U.S. is considering additional tax credits which would probably apply to us. THROW MONEY OUR WAY IRS, and THANKS!!!<BR/>You see, the U.S. is in a deep recession and the value of the dollar is waaaaay down. What better way to solve the problem than... money????!!!!!!!<BR/>Maybe we should have more kids to qualify for MORE MONEY!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-68316688474895667632008-01-29T13:38:00.001-05:002008-01-29T13:38:00.001-05:00Twinsmommy - have a great time!Twinsmommy - have a great time!Estherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09546504942311091442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-21137001410135710602008-01-29T13:38:00.000-05:002008-01-29T13:38:00.000-05:00Trilcat, I really love your comment. That's the k...Trilcat, I really love your comment. That's the kind of marriage advice that would be helpful to couples, not just telling them to spend money. <BR/><BR/>I know SephardiLady remembers me telling her about some poor advice I was given when I was a new mother. I had a baby a few weeks before Yom Kippur. I went to my rebbetzin very concerned because I was going to be alone all day with the baby, still recovering from a cesaerean, nursing, and of course expected to fast if at all possible. She vaguely suggested finding a teenage girl, but they were all committed to being in shul. The she said, "Hire someone." She was NOT offering to pay of course...Estherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09546504942311091442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-81175977619946972062008-01-29T11:57:00.000-05:002008-01-29T11:57:00.000-05:00it is separate seating, and we WILL enjoy it and h...it is separate seating, and we WILL enjoy it and have fun. Almost nothing in our community is mixed seating-- weddings, even our son's bris seudah was separate seating.<BR/><BR/>It's good to get out now and then. On a typical weeknight I'm home with the kids and hubby is out at night seder. So we each enjoy hanging out with our buddies on our own side of the mechitza and then we get to compare notes in the car on the way home. Frankly, I'm thrilled. I get to dress up. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-33205953619155705422008-01-29T10:22:00.000-05:002008-01-29T10:22:00.000-05:00". . . but we are going to the kollel dinner tomor...". . . but we are going to the kollel dinner tomorrow night"<BR/><BR/>don't tell me it's separate seating :-)Critically Observant Jewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17281220943536673356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-19693131676405272102008-01-29T00:22:00.000-05:002008-01-29T00:22:00.000-05:00TWINSMOMMY:". . . but we are going to the kollel d...TWINSMOMMY:<BR/><BR/>". . . but we are going to the kollel dinner tomorrow night"<BR/><BR/>we also don't get out that often, but i'd kill myself if the one time we do go out is to a formal institutional dinner.Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-8296187781350868642008-01-29T00:16:00.000-05:002008-01-29T00:16:00.000-05:00I still think that the advice to give flowers is n...I still think that the advice to give flowers is not without its merits. At the same time, I see your point of communication between the spouses. My wife told me that the flowers should not be expensive, and that she wouldn't like a new bouquet if the old one is still "alive". I think that the chatanim should start off bringing flowers for every shabbat, but further down the road, the communications should take their path and they'd find out what their wives really likeCritically Observant Jewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17281220943536673356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-39342584997510063312008-01-29T00:13:00.000-05:002008-01-29T00:13:00.000-05:00I think there is a lot to be said for going broke,...I think there is a lot to be said for going broke, but gracefully. We lost our cheap rental house last summer and are now forced to sell our van in order to pay the obscenely high rent that is necessary to keep living near our shul. But we and our kids are really trying to roll with it b'simcha and know that in the long run these hard choices will help us get ahead. A lot of it is just about attitude and not feeling like your life is over when the checkbook dries up. I still prefer this to the alternative of working for low wages that wouldn't help anyway after the extra bills and childcare.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-20476103934562963662008-01-28T23:54:00.000-05:002008-01-28T23:54:00.000-05:00ahavah, I like the babysitting co-op idea, except ...ahavah, I like the babysitting co-op idea, except that most families put their younger kids down to bed by 9:00 or so and don't want them running around shul at that hour. <BR/><BR/> When we go out by ourselves at night (HARDLY EVER because hubby is usually at night seder 4 nights a week), but we are going to the kollel dinner tomorrow night, yay!) we want to stay out past then especially if we don't make it out the door till 7:00 or 7:30, you know? So tomorrow we have a sitter who can stay as late as we want--- that way when our kids are tired, they can go to bed.<BR/><BR/>flowers--- I WOULD LOVE an occasional bouquet of flowers from my hubby, but he doesn't like flowers and doesn't want to waste the money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-76056099114446921662008-01-28T23:42:00.000-05:002008-01-28T23:42:00.000-05:00JewChik-Report back if this turns out to be a succ...JewChik-Report back if this turns out to be a successful fundraiser. :)Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-11244172244180660632008-01-28T23:41:00.000-05:002008-01-28T23:41:00.000-05:00Gregory-If your wife likes flowers, that is an app...Gregory-If your wife likes flowers, that is an appropriate gift. I'm protesting the assumption that a husband SHOULD buy his wife flowers. A husband should give his wife gifts she will appreciate. The key is to communicate about what one appreciates. I know a wife whose husband use to bring her flowers (like the chossen teacher recommended) only to find out she liked something else in lieu.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-91356840632250408992008-01-28T19:41:00.000-05:002008-01-28T19:41:00.000-05:00As far as raffles go, I though of you, SL, when I ...As far as raffles go, I though of you, SL, when I got this letter. A local kiruv organization is having a fund raising campaign, "kugel for kiruv" - it's a raffle in which you can win a 9x13 kugel made by one of the local rebbetzins. So what's the cost - a few foil pans, a few pounds of potatoes and a couple dozen eggs. I thought it was a really creative idea.jewchickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06702122944625696072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-66726658074211562502008-01-28T18:27:00.000-05:002008-01-28T18:27:00.000-05:00SephardiLady, excellent post! It is right on the ...SephardiLady, excellent post! It is right on the money :-)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-65916631920189677432008-01-28T15:33:00.000-05:002008-01-28T15:33:00.000-05:00trilcat,I don't want to speak for anyone else, but...trilcat,<BR/><BR/>I don't want to speak for anyone else, but I'd go bananas if my wife thanked me for every time I did a load of laundry or took out the trash. Not that I don't value being appreciated, and don't like the occasional thank you, but if my wife were to thank me multiple times a day, for every chore around the house, I'd find life less pleasant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-5516459538611484372008-01-28T15:28:00.000-05:002008-01-28T15:28:00.000-05:00I'll disagree about flowers. While understanding t...I'll disagree about flowers. While understanding that a $5 bouquet a week amounts to about $250 a year, I still think that it's a cheap enough way to show appreciation to one's wife (other ways noted above not excluded). Also, many flowers will last for 2 weeks (and my wife, in particular, doesn't want to waste money on new ones when the "old" ones are still alive). So that brings the "flower" bill to about $125 a year.Critically Observant Jewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17281220943536673356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-13323835771614410252008-01-28T15:17:00.001-05:002008-01-28T15:17:00.001-05:00I meant "afford," not "effort"I meant "afford," not "effort"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-10169328966739766932008-01-28T15:17:00.000-05:002008-01-28T15:17:00.000-05:00Excellent post, as usual.These "throw money" solut...Excellent post, as usual.<BR/><BR/>These "throw money" solutions also have the effect of causing additional grief and frustration. When people confronting these problems read that the solution is money, which they can't effort, they just get more upset and down on themselves.<BR/><BR/>I've been there, so I can very much relate.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-80220425647055307432008-01-28T14:46:00.000-05:002008-01-28T14:46:00.000-05:00Ora,You belong to a shul, don't you? Surely there...Ora,<BR/><BR/>You belong to a shul, don't you? Surely there are people there who can do a babysitting co-op? Maybe even AT the shul - a drop off night. Isn't there a multi-purpose room where the kids can run around for a couple of hours? Or a library? Kids can watch a video or play board games, even do homework. You can trade time working a night or two a month with each other at no cost. That way it doesn't cost anyone cash - just time.Ahavahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12795309173195607578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-91834406462077526952008-01-28T08:32:00.000-05:002008-01-28T08:32:00.000-05:00For some "gifts" try "honey, let me do the dishes ...For some "gifts" try "honey, let me do the dishes tonight" or a back rub or run the bath for your spouse.<BR/><BR/>For Channuka this year, I had my husband bring me every pair of pants that needed mending (8) and mended them, and then I ironed a pile of shirts for him. (admittedly, if I were more of a balabusta, that wouldn't be a gift, but...)<BR/><BR/>When I want to surprise him, I make a batch of his favorite flavor of ice cream (strawberry). <BR/><BR/>One of the nicest gifts he gives me is that he takes the baby out Shabbat afternoon so I can read or rest.<BR/><BR/>More importantly, he thanks me for EVERY CHORE I do, and I endeavor to do the same. You'd be amazed how much some silly little words to for a marriage "thank you for doing the laundry" "thank you for cleaning the sink" "thank you for fixing the toilet" "Thank you for feeding the baby" "Thank you for doing the grocery shopping"<BR/><BR/>Add those phrases into your daily speech with your partner and you get a lot more than you can by bringing a dozen roses.Leah Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16546935038863589318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-2577368509153582962008-01-28T07:30:00.000-05:002008-01-28T07:30:00.000-05:00ahavah--In my experience the problem isn't that da...ahavah--<BR/>In my experience the problem isn't that dates cost a lot, it's that going on dates requires getting a babysitter, and babysitters cost a lot. Unfortunately there aren't a lot of free museum days or concerts around here, but most couples I know are happy to make "date night" a picnic in the park or walk around the city, etc. The problem is that even a two and a half hour picnic together will cost at least 75 shekels just for babysitting.<BR/><BR/>There is always the option of a babysitting swap, but that can be hard to arrange as families get larger. Also, it requires living in an area with other couples w/kids the same age, which unfortunately I don't. <BR/><BR/>In Israel davka a lot of hareidi couples I know won't go for the expensive options (restaurants, etc) b/c they don't really do restaurants. Instead "date night" for them seems to be a walk around town while grandma watches the kids.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-15250138066881601842008-01-27T19:09:00.000-05:002008-01-27T19:09:00.000-05:00I'm not sure my parody is even a parody anymore......I'm not sure my parody is even a parody anymore....<BR/><BR/>http://www.printfection.com/purimtees/Net-Worth/_s_75630DAGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475799835170867139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-73448573214228201832008-01-27T14:05:00.000-05:002008-01-27T14:05:00.000-05:00There are lots of free things that a husband and w...There are lots of free things that a husband and wife can do together - but they're usually "cultural" things which the cheredi and even some modern orthodox refuse to avail themselves of: gallery hops, free concerts and lectures (especially if there's a university nearby), museum exhibits and educational programs, arts and craft fairs (you can just look, you don't have to buy anything)... Or how about just a walk in the park, an early evening picnic, or inviting a few good friends over for a pot luck to play music (live or recorded) or watch a cheap classic movie rental? You can pick the best of these things - using discernment shouldn't have to mean being completely isolated from the rest of the world. But many people won't think outside the orthodox box - so they're bored silly and can't find anything to do that doesn't cost money. It's sad.Ahavahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12795309173195607578noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-76732541301007505502008-01-27T12:48:00.000-05:002008-01-27T12:48:00.000-05:00"When it seems like the solution to every problem ..."When it seems like the solution to every problem is MONEY, that alone is a problem."<BR/><BR/>It means that the idea of isolating Orthodox communities has resulted in acceptance of the worst of secular culture rather than the best.Charlie Hallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17667135360784254574noreply@blogger.com