tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post4088373791157600643..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Orthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-62958745754180296572009-07-02T00:04:08.347-04:002009-07-02T00:04:08.347-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-6020765369228657472008-01-30T06:02:00.000-05:002008-01-30T06:02:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-31880913430777250632008-01-29T15:00:00.000-05:002008-01-29T15:00:00.000-05:00Y'know, on the subject of dealing with finances, w...Y'know, on the subject of dealing with finances, would it be so wrong if one spouse was not the best person to deal with the finances and with the budgeting and therefore left it to the other spouse?<BR/><BR/>some people just aren't meant for paperwork, and I would think that the only responsible thing they could do would be to leave it to their spouse.<BR/><BR/>I know I will when I'm married.Looking Forwardhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04876831969877780546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1669745689892880162008-01-25T15:40:00.000-05:002008-01-25T15:40:00.000-05:00People, including some Rabbis, are afraid of spea...People, including some Rabbis, are afraid of speaking openly against these Hassidic sects, as they may then be attacked by them and their supporters. Many are against them, but are intimidated by the so-called Hassidics.<BR/><BR/>But people are waking up and smelling the coffee. It's about time people stopped being so deferential to the Hassidics and giving them a free pass. Let's call a spade a spade. We better dissociate from such sects before they, God forbid, endanger us and our reputations. <BR/><BR/>Those sects are not proper Judaism, period !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-46379087425843788842008-01-25T10:11:00.000-05:002008-01-25T10:11:00.000-05:00I agree with you completely. But I do know a woma...I agree with you completely. But I do know a woman who knows so little of her finances that she cannot name her monthly mortgage payment. I believe her name is on the deed, but I don't know for certain, and she probably doesn't either. Her husband takes care of all the bills, so the only expenditures she has full knowledge of are those incurred by her own shopping -- groceries and such. In truth, it is more stressful to know where all the money goes when it points out the inescapable fact that the costs exceed income. But she doesn't wish to worry about it and must find her ignorance to be blissful. I don't think there is any danger of her husband going in for a dubious scheme, but there is a very real danger of her being completely bankrupt if anything ever happens to him, as he not only knows all the figures but is the sole breadwinner.Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-40507083891057552112008-01-25T02:35:00.000-05:002008-01-25T02:35:00.000-05:00ANON:"There are also those who put the house in th...ANON:<BR/><BR/>"There are also those who put the house in the wife's name because of bad credit"<BR/><BR/>i have a friend who did that<BR/><BR/>SL:<BR/><BR/>"Unfortunately, I've become somewhat cynical too. :)"<BR/><BR/>i think you mean :(Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-67421870640901118952008-01-24T19:01:00.000-05:002008-01-24T19:01:00.000-05:00A lot of the women I know are not listed and do no...A lot of the women I know are not listed and do not collect government money. They both work. The wives just never thought of it. To me, that's kind of sad.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-61010340861993358742008-01-24T18:59:00.000-05:002008-01-24T18:59:00.000-05:00I would like to think that it's mainly because the...I would like to think that it's mainly because they don't even think of it. The wife isn't involved in anything related to finances or big purchases. She doesn't ask. He doesn't hide, but doesn't include. Then there are those who will put the house in the husband's name so they can still collect government money. There are also those who put the house in the wife's name because of bad credit or worse on the husband's. Very rarely vice versa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-32062871203907433422008-01-24T11:28:00.000-05:002008-01-24T11:28:00.000-05:00Many Doctors' wives keep the house in their name. ...Many Doctors' wives keep the house in their name. In a community property state, they would have to actually pay for the house from pre-marriage funds as once things are co-mingled, it doesn't really matter what the title says. <BR/><BR/>Unfortunately, I've become somewhat cynical too. :)Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-77348915930681833022008-01-24T01:10:00.000-05:002008-01-24T01:10:00.000-05:00SL:"There are less cynical reason to put a home in...SL:<BR/><BR/>"There are less cynical reason to put a home in one spouses name."<BR/><BR/>perhaps if one spouse has a bad credit rating? <BR/><BR/>(but that doesn't take away from the fact that mlevin describes the gist of a not-so-uncommon scam.)Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-46452942196016780312008-01-23T23:36:00.000-05:002008-01-23T23:36:00.000-05:00There are less cynical reason to put a home in one...There are less cynical reason to put a home in one spouses name. Perhaps Toby can give her own conjecture.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-56202267843817396852008-01-23T17:49:00.000-05:002008-01-23T17:49:00.000-05:00There could be another reason for having a house u...There could be another reason for having a house under husband's name: If a home is in husband's name and they never registered their marriage, then she (wife) is able to claim money from all the government programs for the poor...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-33609690883900700002008-01-23T16:13:00.000-05:002008-01-23T16:13:00.000-05:00Toby-That is alarming and very concerning.Toby-That is alarming and very concerning.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-60184647418657702002008-01-23T14:52:00.000-05:002008-01-23T14:52:00.000-05:00When we were buying our second home, I checked the...When we were buying our second home, I checked the local records for the home prices in the area and recent sales. I was shocked at the fact that almost all (and these were frum owners due to location) were in the husband's name only. My husband and I bought our home together and both our names are on it. No question.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01638376817923974667noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-28536577281211948162008-01-23T08:31:00.000-05:002008-01-23T08:31:00.000-05:00Arrogance is the great failure of this up and comi...Arrogance is the great failure of this up and coming generation of rabbis. We know, because we are Daas Torah, has caused untold damage.DAGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09475799835170867139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-53094562229164122882008-01-23T03:01:00.000-05:002008-01-23T03:01:00.000-05:00"I think the women in the Orthodox community need ..."I think the women in the Orthodox community need to get more involved in their own finances"<BR/><BR/>i do have friends whose wives are the ones who take care of the finances. sometimes i ask my friends (the husbands) how much X costs or what they did with Y on the tax return, and they really have no idea.<BR/><BR/>but as far as<BR/>"No one should sign on the line of their next 1040 Tax Form without knowing where the income and where the deductions came from"<BR/><BR/>this makes sense, yet i still think it is sad that 2 people get married and one can't trust the other one fully in all matters.Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-64719717257458253782008-01-23T00:53:00.000-05:002008-01-23T00:53:00.000-05:00Anonymous-I agree with you about greed and did thi...Anonymous-I agree with you about greed and did think to include it, but on second thought I did not, not because there was not greed (RK and his wife certainly seemed to have plenty of), but because I've seen greed that translates into other, more lavish, uses of stolen funds. Nevertheless, I probably should have included it.<BR/><BR/>Lion of Zion-See Rabbi Adlerstein's accounts of which Rabbonim. <BR/><BR/>Like you, I don't understand why Choshen Mishpat should be taught to women especially. A commentor named Danny Rubin wrote this at cross-currents:<BR/><BR/>" think that it is about time that we INSIST that parts of Choshen Mishpat be added to the High School curriculum.- Particularly for Women!!!! ( Is it my imagination or is the Orthodox world putting them in to the workplace beyond Ms. Steinhem’s wildest dreams :-)) "<BR/><BR/>I think the women in the Orthodox community need to get more involved in their own finances and view themselves as partners. But, I don't think the women are the ones having the issues in the same way the men are having the issues. . . . . . . . <BR/><BR/>Thanks for commenting.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-87050554881018497562008-01-23T00:27:00.000-05:002008-01-23T00:27:00.000-05:00"I commend the Rabbonim for speaking out"which rab..."I commend the Rabbonim for speaking out"<BR/><BR/>which rabbonim are speaking up?<BR/><BR/>in my entire life i've heard one shabbat-morning derashah in which the rabbi commented that we should not be involved in shenanigans against the government. (of course i must admit that i am usually napping or otherwise occupied.)<BR/><BR/>now while i've never actually heard a derashah where the rabbi explicitly permits this behavior, i've heard quite a few where goyyim are put down in general (as per the recent hirhurim post) and one easily concludes there is nothing wrong with stealing from them.<BR/> <BR/>"Choshen Mishapat should become standard for men and (especially) women."<BR/><BR/>i didn't understand why especially for women?Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-73842303122510252242008-01-23T00:13:00.000-05:002008-01-23T00:13:00.000-05:00You're kinder than I. It's possible that they may ...You're kinder than I. It's possible that they may have started along this path because of desperation but it appears to me that somewhere along the way greed took over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com