tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post4853725477972440407..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Tuition vs. the DentistOrthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-46028795609427985572013-08-01T03:12:58.066-04:002013-08-01T03:12:58.066-04:00I truly appreciate the content of your blog.. Keep...I truly appreciate the content of your blog.. Keep posting.<br /><br /><b><a href="http://www.southernutahdentists.com/st-george-dental.php" rel="nofollow">St George Dental Clinic</a></b> St George Dental Clinichttp://www.southernutahdentists.com/st-george-dental.phpnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-86322431197127576692013-04-27T01:13:18.203-04:002013-04-27T01:13:18.203-04:00A dentist is an qualified medical professional who...A dentist is an qualified medical professional who specializes in the care of teeth, gums, and mouths. Thanks for this superb post. It will really help a lot of people.<br /><a href="http://www.dentaldeal.com/nj" title="" rel="nofollow">nj dentist</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04087915375607043003noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-85179249829062412902013-01-28T23:51:26.481-05:002013-01-28T23:51:26.481-05:00The blog is teaching us that we have to pay attent...The blog is teaching us that we have to pay attention to our children tuition but is not mean that we ignore the cavity of their teeth. You are saying very true that we also have to put proper dental care of our children. <a href="http://www.tmprosthodontics.com" rel="nofollow">dentist miami fl</a>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10390745248133915792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-33493305813588402082011-09-05T20:29:36.903-04:002011-09-05T20:29:36.903-04:00www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/09/05/2011-...www.nydailynews.com/news/national/2011/09/05/2011-09-05_unemployed_man_with_no_health_insurance_dies_after_minor_tooth_infection_spreads.htmlMr. Cohenhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DerechEmet/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-12397000714048402212011-08-10T13:57:46.711-04:002011-08-10T13:57:46.711-04:00The 7 Worst Foods for Teeth
**********************...<b>The 7 Worst Foods for Teeth</b><br />**************************************<br /><br />[1] Soft Drinks (Soda)<br /><br />[2] Sports Drinks (high concentration of strong acids)<br /><br />[3] Sour Candy (has tangy acids rot tooth enamel)<br /><br />[4] Energy Drinks (has lots of acids)<br /><br />[5] Fruit Juices (especially citrus, apple, and berry have acids)<br /><br />[6] oranges, lemons and limes<br /><br />[7] vinegar (in salad dressings, sauces, potato chips, pickles)<br /><br /><b>SOURCE:</b> Yahoo Shine web site, 2011 August 10Mr. Cohenhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DerechEmet/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-42735937418772900192011-07-08T16:50:57.204-04:002011-07-08T16:50:57.204-04:00Abba's Rantings:
With all due respect, I am t...Abba's Rantings:<br /><br />With all due respect, I am tired of you constantly being so flippant about the very real concerns and worries many of us living in the real world have. Life is a lot more gray than you seem to believe. And I'm someone who often bucks the system and tries to think creatively around issues, besides refusing to swallow the kool-aid flavor of the chodesh.sammynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-32027655713201609932011-07-04T18:29:43.239-04:002011-07-04T18:29:43.239-04:00My wife & I made the decision to our children ...My wife & I made the decision to our children in PS. It was simply a matter of living within our means. My wife works for Baltimore city & has an excellent medical & dental plan. Nevertheless I believe that any parent who wouldn't take their children to a dentist is guilty of child abuse. My kids come before tuition. This whole topic is making me realize that I made a good decision.I'm not Jay Wagnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-50338065231077288052011-06-30T10:19:07.086-04:002011-06-30T10:19:07.086-04:00Aside from the risk of infection that others have ...Aside from the risk of infection that others have pointed out, and the halakhic issues that I am not qualified to comment on... won’t a persistent toothache have some effect on a child’s ability to LEARN IN SCHOOL?<br /><br />There’s a difference between the value of Torah education, and the value of sitting in a building where Torah happens to be taught.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-41884287438175114672011-06-28T21:13:24.052-04:002011-06-28T21:13:24.052-04:00I know of a little girl who died because her paren...I know of a little girl who died because her parents did not take her to a dentist for months from the time a problem manifested, and I know of a man who lost an eye when he was a teenager, because at that time his father would not agree to let the dentist treat an abscess in one of the boy’s molar teeth, and the infection traveled through the blood stream to the boy’s eye. <br />A dental infection can be fatal, and teeth don't usually hurt until there is some infection so taht it MUST be looked at as soon as there is pain. <br />Not even Torah study comes before the protection of life. Neglect of children is child abuse, and if that child dies, then the parent may be guilty of murder, even if no one accuses him of it.<br /><br />Ava Miedzinski, DDS<br />(formerly of Monsey, NY)bowldancerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14372491454847669789noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-25644111677979185522011-06-28T11:08:17.510-04:002011-06-28T11:08:17.510-04:00Healthy Kids New York does cover dental care, as w...Healthy Kids New York does cover dental care, as well as medical care and well checkups. Not all dentists or doctors participate in the plan, but quite a lot do. There are income limits to qualify for that program, but you can be earning an income and not be on food stamps and such and still qualify. It's on a sliding scale, so those in the lowest brackets pay nothing at all. The website is http://www.ins.state.ny.us/website2/hny/english/hnyfhch.htm I would guess that such programs would be available in other states, as well.Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-64465352005490679052011-06-28T09:55:25.335-04:002011-06-28T09:55:25.335-04:00Forgot: Explain to the child that by following the...Forgot: Explain to the child that by following their rebbe over their parents, we (as parents) no longer see their financial well being as our problem, rather as the rabbis'. When you are ready to go to college, come back to me. In the mean time, allowance, spending money, etc. is cut off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-39862189639220449452011-06-28T09:52:56.802-04:002011-06-28T09:52:56.802-04:00"it is not appropriate for the school to make..."it is not appropriate for the school to make the kids feel terrible, turn them against their parents, berate the parents or harass them in person or over the phone, or tell the kids to tell their parents they are simply going to go while the school arranges for a scholarship."<br /><br />It happened to me with camp, where one of the Rabbaim was a part owner, and he had my rebbe pressue me into going (while I knew my parents were in a tight spot and didn't/couldn't pay for it at that time).<br /><br />I believe the correct response is: You want my child to do x, you can pay for it. I will not.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-64451650280013665762011-06-28T09:46:35.974-04:002011-06-28T09:46:35.974-04:00Anonymous 1:06 AM,
I may not be as versed in hala...Anonymous 1:06 AM,<br /><br />I may not be as versed in halacha as you seem to be, but I believe we have a concept of acting "lifnim mishurat hadin" - basically acting above and beyond the strict letter of the law. So, maybe you're right that if an employer runs out of money there's no obligation to sell property, so they can just keep their employees waiting. But, you know what? They shouldn't have employed those people in the first place knowing they couldn't have paid on time (or ever). I imagine some halacha is violated in either letter or spirit when you have $10 in your pocket and tell someone you're going to pay them $20 with no realistic way of coming up with the extra $10 short of a miracle. The yeshivas engage in lousy financial planning and budgeting and then throw their hands in the air as if no one could have possible saw this coming. Yeshivas are allowed to stay in business month after month paying late over and over again with employees going months without a salary and the rabbinic leadership turns a blind eye. That is certainly not in the spirit of the law even if it is being technically kept.<br /><br />As for maaser "just" being a custom, what a silly argument. Probably half or more of what we do is Jews is dictated by custom. Our liturgy is a custom, our style of dress is a custom, wearing a sheitel instead of another covering is a custom, giving various gifts at an engagement or wedding is a custom. I don't see anyone tossing those away for the sake of yeshiva. But, hey, charity is just a custom - why should we forgo other customs for it or for yeshiva tuition? Surely a yeshiva is more worthy than the poor of one's city.<br /><br />Bargaining a lower tuition isn't even in the same universe as falsifying financial documents or giving money to some contractor instead of the yeshiva. I don't care if the schools know about it or factor it in. It's theft plain and simple and is certainly not an upright way to act. How ironic that people act like complete scum to send their kids to yeshiva to learn to be upstanding individuals.<br /><br />As for my last point, I'm not talking about teaching halacha. If the parent body doesn't keep Shabbos well, the school should teach the halachor of Shabbos. If the parents don't like it, don't send there. I'd even go so far as to say the same thing about hashkafa - don't like it don't send there. But, a line has to be drawn for certain matters that are solely in the parents' domain. For example, if the parents don't want their kids to go to Israel to learn (for financial or other reasons), it is not appropriate for the school to make the kids feel terrible, turn them against their parents, berate the parents or harass them in person or over the phone, or tell the kids to tell their parents they are simply going to go while the school arranges for a scholarship. Yes, I've seen that on multiple occasions as well as other similar examples.JSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-36402462223932817432011-06-28T09:25:26.272-04:002011-06-28T09:25:26.272-04:00On the subject of public school (since someone bro...On the subject of public school (since someone brought it up) and the fact that many frum communities are not in good public school systems....<br /><br />I know nothing of NJ's public school options, only Baltimore's.<br /><br />Baltimore has a very bad reputation regarding the public schools. However, as I am looking at the necessity of sending at least one of my kids to public school I have looked into it obsessively.<br /><br />I have concluded that all the eye-rolling, tongue clucking, head-shaking, and shocked intaking of breath I get when I mention "public school" is undeserved.<br /><br />Baltimore has a plethora of middle and high school public school options. There are charter schools and transformation schools in addition to the regular local schools. There are several same sex schools with another all-boys school opening next year because the waiting list for the 2 existing schools is so long.<br /><br />Due to the "school choice" policy of Baltimore, any middle or high school in the city that has room for your kid will take him/her.<br /><br />So if you live in Baltimore and would never consider sending your kid due to academic or safety concerns, I say look again!<br /><br />(and contact me through SL because I'd love to know if anyone else is doing this who does not have access to Roland Park Middle School).tdrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-21474369934246732072011-06-28T09:10:50.721-04:002011-06-28T09:10:50.721-04:00If you know of a child in the northern NJ area who...If you know of a child in the northern NJ area whose parents are choosing between dental care for the child and tuition, please email me at abbasrantings@gmail.com for a referral to a pediatric dentist who can work it out reasonably with the parents.Abba's Rantingshttps://www.dkmsamericas.org/registernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-85053934018939669932011-06-28T07:43:59.180-04:002011-06-28T07:43:59.180-04:00Anonymous-While I think the parent should absolute...Anonymous-While I think the parent should absolutely beg rather than endanger their child's health, I'm told that frum dentists have a tremendous amount of outstanding receivables already. Too many doctors are burning the candle at both ends as it is and will never say no. But they can't do it all and should be paid.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-2143036052378580902011-06-28T06:00:37.523-04:002011-06-28T06:00:37.523-04:00This is so sad.
The Jewish community has an obliga...This is so sad.<br />The Jewish community has an obligation to pay for schooling - and they do help the very poor in a great way. The rich can pay. But the people in the middle are struggling. Yet...the same people who complain about tuition sometimes have pool membership (they NEED to exercise, right? when we know exercise is free...), send their kids to art class (well, crafts at home is just not as fun...) and eat pizza from the store (kids can't grow up deprived). But then you have people who are REALLY not making it, and can't afford the dentist!!!<br />Some ideas about clinics are good, another idea is to call a local frum dentist and say, "I have kids with dental problems and no money. I have paid all my yeshiva tuition and will be happy to open my books and show you that I am truly poor. Would you, as a chesed, see my child? I can pay $20 for the visit." I am sure there are some local dentists who will do this as chesed! I would do that before letting my kids' teeth rot. Another point: if you are really poor, you MUST be very careful about brushing, flossing, and drinking WATER. I threaten my kids all the time: Your teeth will rot! the drill will hurt! Go brush and floss or they will turn black!" B"H for good genes too, but with this tactic, I have so far raised cavity-free kids: ages 10, 8.5, 6.<br />I have to start saving up for braces!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-54856036810418844292011-06-28T01:06:18.555-04:002011-06-28T01:06:18.555-04:00"I think halacha left the discussion a long t..."I think halacha left the discussion a long time ago when it comes to yeshivas. Yeshivas are allowed to not pay employees on time. Parents are allowed to consider tuition as part of maaser."<br /><br />Please study these halachos before commenting. If an employer has no cash - according to halacha - he is not required to sell assets ie. School bulding furniture etc to pay the teachers. The proper financing of Yeshivas is another topic but please don't falsify Halacha. Just ask your LOR.<br /><br />Regarding Maaser - believe or not, there is no halachic obligation to tithe. It is a good custom ...but it is not like blowing Shofar on Rosh hashana or buying an Esrog for Succos, thouigh there is a mitzva to give tzedakah<br /><br /> "Then there's all the stuff that's not sanctioned, but is certainly against halacha and people just turn a blind eye. Parents falsify financial documents to get scholarships."<br /><br />You are correct. Falsifying is wrong - but there is nothing wrong bargaining on the tuition rates - if you can't afford dental care - there is no mitzva to pay full tuition.<br /><br />"Parents spend down savings on home purchases/improvements so they can qualify for scholarships."<br /><br /><br />Don't think the Yeshiva's know this? They are local org and they have it worked into the tuition negotiations - all ok to Halacha<br /><br />" Schools subvert parental will and encourage kids to not listen to parents."<br /><br />Untrue. Yeshivos teach orthodox Halacha with no apologies.If the parent body leads their lives based on leniencies of the modern non jewish world - that should be taught too, but if the majority of Poskim are not consistant with the Parent body, is not reason to have the Yeshiva's student body ignorant of the opinions of the Majority of Poskim! And if the student want to practice a more orthodox judaism -so be it! - if the yeshiva is not to your liking, send your child elsewhere - but don't balme the Yeshiva for teaching your chid Torah!<br /><br />Thanks for reading my thoughtsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-47862255626066420172011-06-27T22:24:26.467-04:002011-06-27T22:24:26.467-04:00"...it's normative practical halacha.&quo..."...it's normative practical halacha."<br /><br />I think halacha left the discussion a long time ago when it comes to yeshivas. Yeshivas are allowed to not pay employees on time. Parents are allowed to consider tuition as part of maaser.<br /><br />Then there's all the stuff that's not sanctioned, but is certainly against halacha and people just turn a blind eye. Parents falsify financial documents to get scholarships. Parents spend down savings on home purchases/improvements so they can qualify for scholarships. Schools subvert parental will and encourage kids to not listen to parents.<br /><br />Yeshiva is all about communal norms, not halacha. If this is a real letter, then clearly the community doesn't think highly of those who choose dental care over tuition. That's all that matters.JSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-62707261527636122002011-06-27T22:13:22.587-04:002011-06-27T22:13:22.587-04:00SAMMY:
"To those who so cavalierly speak abo...SAMMY:<br /><br />"To those who so cavalierly speak about public school as an option: In our area, as in many others, the public schools are known to be extremely dangerous and promiscuous."<br /><br />promiscuous? you mean in third grade? second grade? kindergarten? are you serious?<br /><br />dangerous? there are gangbangers in third grade? second grade? first grade? kindergarten? are you serious?<br /><br />"So how can any parent of good conscience send their kids there?"<br /><br />how can any parents of good conscience send their kids to a school that does not have a strict no-bully policy, that doesn't fingerprint employees, that doesn't have an unambigious mandatory reporting policy?<br /><br />one final note: if your objection to public school is the safety issue, then move to a town with a better district. one of the reasons that people are generally willing to pay high taxes is to live in a district with good schools. frum jews on the other hand pay high taxes to live in areas that have crappy schools.Abba's Rantingshttps://www.dkmsamericas.org/registernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-88144462840535074362011-06-27T21:01:45.663-04:002011-06-27T21:01:45.663-04:00I am not trying to be cavalier - not being able to...I am not trying to be cavalier - not being able to afford basic medical expenses and a yeshiva education is heartbreaking. But faced with that situation, basic medical care takes precedence. This isn't esoteric or subject to debate among poskim as far as I'm aware, it's normative practical halacha.Avi Greengarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14267040237664555562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-38705607931740602242011-06-27T20:47:47.832-04:002011-06-27T20:47:47.832-04:00Abba - you think a beis din would object to a ger ...Abba - <i>you think a beis din would object to a ger planning to live in, for example, staten island?</i><br /><br />Staten Island would be acceptable, but Flatbush, Crown Heights, Lakewood, or Monsey would be better.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-26171961901163564782011-06-27T20:46:03.977-04:002011-06-27T20:46:03.977-04:00Abba - i'm willing to bet that no beis din req...Abba - <i>i'm willing to bet that no beis din requires a ger to buy a house in teaneck and send kids to noam.</i><br /><br />Of course not!!!! They would prefer the Ger move to a frummer area :-)Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-76989472653002720132011-06-27T19:38:56.417-04:002011-06-27T19:38:56.417-04:00As a woman who now has 10 post/crowns, I would hav...As a woman who now has 10 post/crowns, I would have much rather had gone to the dentist than received my sub par "education" at the hands of underpaid 19-20 year old sem girls who leave mid year to get married off.AriSparkleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05353792696786575669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-71602667081902915682011-06-27T19:35:38.151-04:002011-06-27T19:35:38.151-04:00MARK:
you think a beis din would object to a ger ...MARK:<br /><br />you think a beis din would object to a ger planning to live in, for example, staten island?Abba's Rantingshttp://abbasrantings.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.com