tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post6277576162611979218..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: I Will Let Others Do the LaughingOrthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-79435934642758612112011-05-01T16:17:49.457-04:002011-05-01T16:17:49.457-04:00>More specifically, how do you ensure that the ...>More specifically, how do you ensure that the purchaser's mother's mother's mother wasn't Jewish?<<br /><br />I guess you don't walk on the grass on Shabbos, since you might (will) step on a bug or two.<br /><br />Get a life, man!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-60025998897150473192011-04-27T16:35:16.780-04:002011-04-27T16:35:16.780-04:00Dave,
someone once told me that they don't sh...Dave,<br /><br />someone once told me that they don't shop at our local ShopRite after Pesach (each of which is independently owned) because they don't sell chametz and the owner's FATHER is Jewish.<br /><br />but most people do seem to shop there.tesyaanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-15777261605867214582011-04-27T15:12:33.564-04:002011-04-27T15:12:33.564-04:00I'm curious, how much vetting is done here.
...I'm curious, how much vetting is done here. <br /><br />More specifically, how do you ensure that the purchaser's mother's mother's mother wasn't Jewish?Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391023891253673160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-67396909561931114252011-04-27T14:06:12.829-04:002011-04-27T14:06:12.829-04:00Big deal.
They did what they thought was right, a...Big deal.<br /><br />They did what they thought was right, and they paid for it (lit.).<br /><br />In general, most people do the saem, but sell to a "trustworthy" non-jew (who in practice has much more to lose by keeping the Chametz), or structuring the sale so that it is foolhardy to complete the purchase.<br /><br />If this rabbi was ignorant enough not to do what has been done for hundreds of years, let it be on his head.Nephew of Frum Actuarynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-61870908574431822852011-04-27T10:07:18.835-04:002011-04-27T10:07:18.835-04:00One of the local Rabbis would make a show of takin...One of the local Rabbis would make a show of taking the gentile to one of the houses (one of the Macher's that was in the know) and eating/drinking some of the chometz that is sold over the holiday.<br /><br />Nobody treats the sale seriously, but if you touch any of your chometz after Pesach and before the Rabbi buys it back, it's a MUCH MORE serious sin than eating chometz on Pesach, which nobody would do.Miami Alhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02977503720972852329noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-6558183427108601382011-04-26T04:35:53.117-04:002011-04-26T04:35:53.117-04:00Life in Israel reports that the goy gave the stuff...Life in Israel reports that the goy gave the stuff back, so it sounds like it was a stunt.Zach Kessinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04276155117746098546noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-84647139813442057992011-04-25T17:28:20.712-04:002011-04-25T17:28:20.712-04:00The difference here is also that they took the cha...The difference here is also that they took the chametz out of their houses and stored in all together. The man who took the chametz probably wouldn't have done it if he'd had to go from house to house collecting it.abwnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-45769177622471049112011-04-24T19:11:21.748-04:002011-04-24T19:11:21.748-04:00Comment was deleted because it occurred to me that...Comment was deleted because it occurred to me that there is a secular equivalent in retail.<br /><br />Stores often have net-90 days to pay for goods, and in many cases, the goods are fully returnable to the selling vendor, but the items are nonetheless the stores' property to sell as they see fit.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391023891253673160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-5435641781001205962011-04-24T19:09:38.430-04:002011-04-24T19:09:38.430-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391023891253673160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-38155618416789596522011-04-24T18:32:22.317-04:002011-04-24T18:32:22.317-04:00Avi - But how would this be any different if he ha...Avi - <i>But how would this be any different if he had bought it?</i><br /><br />Had he purchased the chametz, the contract would have required a hefty "final payment" upon delivery (i.e. when he takes possession).<br /><br />Chag Sameach all.Marknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-82085015385064489842011-04-24T17:50:02.781-04:002011-04-24T17:50:02.781-04:00I'm not sure which articles you're reading...I'm not sure which articles you're reading, but this one is fairly straightforward. Nobody sold pots or strollers, they sold liquor and chametz. Only instead of selling it for a token amount of money, they gave it away for free. The non-Jew decided that since it was his, he might as well drink it or sell it or whatever. Can't object to that - it's his! But how would this be any different if he had bought it? Either way, it's his, and he can do whatever he wants with it. We sort of hope that he decides to sell it back to us, but if he doesn't, you just have to hope that the Rabbi got a good price for it. :)<br /><br />I know people who don't like selling chametz because they think it's cheating, but then they shop at large grocery stores owned by non-religious Jews who have sold their chametz. If those stores were open over the holiday and distributors delivered more chametz during Pesach, how reliable is THAT sale? Better to stock up on Cheerios and pasta before Pesach on your own, sell it to a non-Jew through a Rabbi you trust, and then you know it wasn't owned by a Jew during Pesach (and now assur to eat even after Pesach).Avi Greengarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14267040237664555562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-40977069969628750512011-04-24T16:10:55.378-04:002011-04-24T16:10:55.378-04:00This is the result of poor education in our commun...This is the result of poor education in our communities about the difference between halakhah, humrah, and minhag. <br /><br />It is completely reasonable and desirable to get rid of hametz gamur (items larger than a kazait, made from >50% hametz) - these are the things from which one should take no benefit. However, if your stroller is >50% hametz, then you have some serious cleaning to do.<br /><br />It's only <em>eating</em> hametz where the concept of mashehu applies - not in owning or benefiting. <br /><br />May the Holy One, Blessed is He, deliver wisdom and insight to His people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-31844354406586213802011-04-24T16:00:08.915-04:002011-04-24T16:00:08.915-04:00I'm sorry, the people who followed that rabbi ...I'm sorry, the people who followed that rabbi checked their brains at the door.<br /><br />Additionally, about the shtus of selling, many (most?) people now sell not their pots, which would require tvilas kelim once reacquired, but the chametz that is absorbed in the pots. This is the height of absurdity. What non-Jew would want to purchase microscopic, absorbed grain specks? <br /><br />You would think that in order to be valid, the sale has to be desirable by both parties, at least to some extent.<br /><br />It seems unnecessary to sell pots, utensils, or strollers at all, as long as the chametz on them is not edible. (And if it is edible - I don't think there's much market for fuzzy Cheerios stuck under the stroller cushions - shudder).tesyaanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-11368357790437174422011-04-24T15:57:16.965-04:002011-04-24T15:57:16.965-04:00I have to agree with you that this is probably the...I have to agree with you that this is probably the wrong community for this custom. It would actually be a nice hiddur mitzvah for relatively wealthy individuals in reform or conservative or modern orthodox communities to donate excess unopened hametz to shelters. One advantage of this is that you would know that the can of corn or beans is not any older than last peasach. But for a community composed of relatively needy people, all they are doing is requiring more tzedekah, not a desirable goal.conservative scifinoreply@blogger.com