tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post7038273502363429927..comments2024-02-21T05:24:49.494-05:00Comments on Orthonomics: $1.5 Million Dollars of Donor Money and the Beat Goes OnOrthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-70028344788953350632012-12-06T19:09:28.217-05:002012-12-06T19:09:28.217-05:00I need money help to pay bills and buy small flat...I need money help to pay bills and buy small flat because i live at street no job or home or food can any one please help me 00201066539090 dreamyouth@yahoo.com egypt postal code 22951.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-17680956832594330032012-05-11T13:54:31.407-04:002012-05-11T13:54:31.407-04:00<>
Pretty much any job that pays well enoug...<><br /><br />Pretty much any job that pays well enough to cover private school tuition for a large family has "the internet" as a job requirement.Avi Greengarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14267040237664555562noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-60837893225958695742012-05-10T21:27:18.838-04:002012-05-10T21:27:18.838-04:00This is what happens when adults allow these idiot...This is what happens when adults allow these idiot rabbis to make parenting decisions that they should be making.I'm not Jay Wagnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-71402028851255240742012-05-09T15:32:33.240-04:002012-05-09T15:32:33.240-04:00I was called to my son's school for a meeting ...I was called to my son's school for a meeting about inappropriate internet usage. The dire message was that if I did not want my son to become addicted to porn or gay, I had better not let him use his i-phone or the internet. This was a serious meeting that was actually attended by the school counselor, 4 rabbis, and 2 general studies teachers. They also suggested that, to be a good role model, I had to avoid internet use as well and that it might be better if I quit by job if internet use was a job requirement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-24863168233910366812012-05-07T19:10:28.059-04:002012-05-07T19:10:28.059-04:00either say his name so we can know whose psak and ...either say his name so we can know whose psak and hashkafah lectures to avoid or just be quiet.not a rabbinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-41051103071120616792012-05-07T07:59:23.052-04:002012-05-07T07:59:23.052-04:00Last week I was distributing devar Torah sheets in...Last week I was distributing devar Torah sheets in Orthodox synagogues. <br /><br />One Rabbi told me that I could not distribute devar Torah sheets in his synagogue because they contained an email address (actually, they contained a URL, but he did not know the difference). <br /><br />I told this Rabbi that if he forbids the internet, then he should also forbid the telephone, because the telephone could be used to spread Lashon HaRa; he responded by accusing me of chutzpah.<br /><br />A few years ago, this same Rabbi created a major scandal by forging the signature of a much more important Rabbi, which resulted in a kosher music concert being cancelled for no real reason.Mr. Cohenhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/DerechEmet/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-30027707553362464652012-05-06T11:07:04.436-04:002012-05-06T11:07:04.436-04:00Sunday is May 6, not May 5Sunday is May 6, not May 5Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-80769113085276034682012-05-06T08:39:08.992-04:002012-05-06T08:39:08.992-04:00My post has disappeared from "Stay Out of Deb...My post has disappeared from "Stay Out of Debt". No matter. Sephardi Lady, you have a technical glitch. Since I'm leaving the blog it doesn't matter to me but it may to you.Understandingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-75897194742545154922012-05-06T08:04:14.043-04:002012-05-06T08:04:14.043-04:00Please see my last post on the "Stay Out of D...Please see my last post on the "Stay Out of Debt" topic because I am leaving the blog, and I wanted to explain why. I am "Understanding" and I posted Sunday May 5 around 7:30 a.m.Understandingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-78659131261533688332012-05-06T08:03:55.828-04:002012-05-06T08:03:55.828-04:00Please see my last post on the "Stay Out of D...Please see my last post on the "Stay Out of Debt" topic because I am leaving the blog, and I wanted to explain why. I am "Understanding" and I posted Sunday May 5 around 7:30 a.m.Understandingnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-88488349035494958002012-05-04T10:10:10.042-04:002012-05-04T10:10:10.042-04:00Rabbi Fink has a couple of thoughtful non-kneejerk...Rabbi Fink has a couple of thoughtful non-kneejerk blog posts on the subject<br /><br />http://finkorswim.com/2012/04/29/in-support-of-the-internet-asifa/<br /><br />http://finkorswim.com/2012/04/27/why-is-the-internet-asifa-at-citifield-for-men-only/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-15487882483824281322012-05-03T21:43:56.507-04:002012-05-03T21:43:56.507-04:00I hate haters:
The talmud uses a much stricter de...I hate haters:<br /><br />The talmud uses a much stricter definition of bribery than civil law. It records the case of a rabbinic whose landlady said "Good morning" when she didn't usually. When she showed up in his court, he recused himself to avoid the prohibition of bribery. Here Rabbi Solomon is getting something (use of a very large venue) tangible.Mike Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-88617870730262736422012-05-03T17:27:54.308-04:002012-05-03T17:27:54.308-04:00Heter - is appears you may ahve some misunderstand...Heter - is appears you may ahve some misunderstanding of the terms bribery and selling out. <br /><br />(1) Rabbi S is not getting any money out of this so it is not bribery<br />(2) he is getting exactly what he wants which is by definition not selling out. <br /><br />Maybe you mean he is selling the rest of us out, but I don't see how. Some guys will get up and talk (from what I hear mostly yiddish speeches so I have no idea why anyone except chasidim would go) about the dangers of the internet. They will suggest we buy filters. They may or may not buy it from the sponsor of the event. <br />There is in fact an 'expo' at the event, so it is pretty clear what is going on and nobody is being fooled. <br /><br />You don't like it? Don't go. Neither will I. But let's not make some big scandal out of something that is just dumb.I hate hatersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-23333917363917076722012-05-03T13:24:44.920-04:002012-05-03T13:24:44.920-04:00I Hate Haters,
The problem is Rabbi Solomon is not...I Hate Haters,<br />The problem is Rabbi Solomon is not dumb. He knows what is going on and knows why the businessman is giving such a large donation. In law we have the concept of the appearance of impropriety, such that even if there is not an actual conflict you must disclose it and possibly withdraw depending upon the circumstances. Here the Rabbi knows he is being used but feels the ends justify the means. Us Haters to dont feel that way, and when our Rabbis sell out its a bad day.<br /><br />HaterAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-49949265432922710162012-05-03T13:05:51.753-04:002012-05-03T13:05:51.753-04:00Your understanding of bribery leaves much to be de...Your understanding of bribery leaves much to be desired, but I will try to explain it anyway. <br /><br />Rabbi Solomon of Lakewood wants to make a huge asifa to talk about the potential (his comments as quoted in the 5tjt say that he only refers to the bad stuff not the entire thing) evils of the internet. But that cost money. Sure he could do it in small groups one yeshiva and shul at a time, but for whatever reason (and I may think there is none, but I assume he has one) happens to think a huge splash will have more impact. Some guy steps forward and says "I will pay" with (perhaps) and ulterior motive (we don't know that for sure, but we can guess). And the problem is????I hate hatersnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-65996193366488291092012-05-03T07:28:34.176-04:002012-05-03T07:28:34.176-04:00So, the million dollar plus bill for this asifa wa...So, the million dollar plus bill for this asifa was paid for by a business hoping to sell internet filters and the like. Given how strict Chazal are about defining bribery, I am surprised no one has raised that as an ethical problem. To me that is a far bigger concern that whatever might be said about the internet. I can and will ignore whatever a bunch of rabbis who can't spell TCP have to say about the internet; it is much harder for me to ignore rabbis who ignore that Torah standards of yosher. They should not be accepting the donation of such a venue from a party with a financial interest in what they might have to say.Mike S.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-82964237967636597952012-05-02T18:37:50.239-04:002012-05-02T18:37:50.239-04:00JS,
I dont agree with the Citifield approach. The...JS,<br /><br />I dont agree with the Citifield approach. The Baltimore approach does not require parents to do anything other than listen to IT professioanls discussing the issues. I am in the IT field as well andI know the people giving the classes here. And if people choose to ignore the advice, they will have to take responsibility for it.<br /><br />Your last comment is bang on target, and I was going to make this point regarding the next anonymous poster below youqsmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-24861738464436357162012-05-02T13:38:25.815-04:002012-05-02T13:38:25.815-04:00qsman: At what age are you going to let your chil...qsman: At what age are you going to let your children have unmonitored and/or unfiltered access? Will get they get that experience and the opportunity to develop their own self-control and judgment before they are on their own? <br /><br />Do you let them have unmonitored conversations with friends and aquaintances? At what age?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-87565738331614492292012-05-02T11:58:03.401-04:002012-05-02T11:58:03.401-04:00qsman,
I understand what you're saying. I do...qsman,<br /><br />I understand what you're saying. I don't have an issue with education, per se. I have an issue with education that leads to coercion. This asifa is not about education, it's about forcing a "solution" down everyone's throats whether they have a problem or not. This will ultimately lead to yet another categorization: those who listen to the "gedolim" and install filters or don't use the Internet and those who transgress and aren't careful about gedeirim.<br /><br />The solution you came up with for your home is fine. This works for you and your family. I don't know if it will ultimately be successful since it's really just a "ban" on certain materials and as you point out bans are never effective. But, that's besides the point. You installed it because you felt it best. Not because some "gadol" coerced you to at some asifa. One size fits all rarely works and that's really what's going on here.<br /><br />It really is no different than having a list of "gadol approved books."<br /><br />As for monitoring and filtering, ultimately we have to trust our children and trust that the values and education we have instilled in them leads them to make the right decisions.JSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-15588147342454466012012-05-02T10:43:39.764-04:002012-05-02T10:43:39.764-04:00And I agree that abuse and other items are not get...And I agree that abuse and other items are not getting the full attention they deserve.qsmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-36103199619187751332012-05-02T10:36:39.163-04:002012-05-02T10:36:39.163-04:00I dont think you heard me correctly.
This is NOT ...I dont think you heard me correctly.<br /><br />This is NOT a ban. Banning it just forces people underground. I am not advocating banning, that is a BAD idea in today's society.<br /><br />If you have not had a child or spouse get into trouble because of inappropriate internet use, then you will never understand the need for education.<br /><br />Kindly listen to Phil Rosenthal discuss the issues he has run into. Phil is an Orthodox Jew and a former FBI agent, now PI, and he spoke here last year. If his non-rabbinic credentials are not good enough for you, then I don't know what else to say. <br /><br />Phil's credentials:<br />http://www.philiprosenthal.org/aboutPhilipRosenthal.php<br /><br />The video:<br />http://baltimorejewishlife.com/news/news-detail.php?SECTION_ID=1&ARTICLE_ID=1829<br /><br /><br />And if you never had to deal with a child (or spouse) getting into trouble by irresponsible Internet use, then you will never never understand the need for education - NOT BANNING!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />For the record, I have Internet access at home, and allow my chidren to use a monitored computer that records everything for playback review, as well as keystroke recording. All computers are password protected and require a parent to unlock, and outside access hours are limited. They KNOW it is monitored. My oldest child knows that their cellphone has monitoring software installed for safety reasons. <br /><br />TFSA philosophy is not to ban anything. If you are familiar with Mesila and their operations, they do not tell people what to do to improve their finances. They simply educate and allow people to make their OWN decisions about their finances. TFSA does the same thing in the IT world.qsmannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-73857940602804714222012-05-02T10:26:00.690-04:002012-05-02T10:26:00.690-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Pragmaticianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08724757238921859366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-86482876939307211792012-05-01T22:32:13.465-04:002012-05-01T22:32:13.465-04:00qsman, cholov yisroel only, etc.
JS is correct. B...qsman, cholov yisroel only, etc. <br />JS is correct. Baltimore is becoming more RW by the day which means more in terms of mind control by the day. What is more, it is hypocritical. Many of the same rabbeim that advocate dumping the internet and scream out against it are the very same ones using it 'for Torah purposes' of course. And their children are using it for school. And their in laws are using it to make a living (presumably to support them). And they have the perfect excuse to ignore the bigger problems in the community (child abuse, people going broke over tuition--over 120 comments on the last post here!!!!). Yes, it is mind control, hypocrisy, and a way to maintain the power structure. It is yet another way for Jews to separate themselves from other Jews. Just another 'other' to avoid, no? (Can't wait until someone in Boro Park can't get a shidduch over THIS)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-55043050788331084952012-05-01T18:25:59.012-04:002012-05-01T18:25:59.012-04:00J - and your problem with following chumrot is? Re...J - and your problem with following chumrot is? Realizing of course that most things ortho jews do are 'chumrot' of one sort or another.<br /><br />Boys wear yarmulkas...ever wonder why? <br />Tzitit? No need to if they don't wear 4-cornered clothing. <br /><br />I have no problem with any of this as long as we clarify what 'chumra' is - i.e. a full understanding of minhag versus d'rabonon versus d'oyraisa. <br /> <br />And bear in mind that looking at porn is a d'oyraisa. (You say the 'negative commandment in shma twice a day.)Cholov Yisroel only pleasenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-33337486423014129622012-05-01T15:24:21.648-04:002012-05-01T15:24:21.648-04:00Nothing wrong with education. I'm just wary o...Nothing wrong with education. I'm just wary of religious groups that claim all they're trying to do is educate when they seem to have the ulterior motive of control. Even without the ulterior motive, religion adds a coercive element to things.<br /><br />Imagine an "educational seminar" on kashrut that educates by explaining the myriad risks involved in not following various chumrot. Is it educational? Sure. Are they trying to get you to follow these chumrot? It's likely. Even not, will it create communal pressure? Probably. I think it's more likely than not that with enough PR and subtle pressure people will wonder why you haven't yet been "educated" and why you continue to allow myriad kashrut risks into your home.<br /><br />I hope that clarifies things.JSnoreply@blogger.com