tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post7368076438575896892..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Orthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-60508045389828130592009-08-09T14:31:31.273-04:002009-08-09T14:31:31.273-04:00What Susie said- the children don't have to ha...What Susie said- the children don't have to have resided in the U.S. At least one parent has to have resided in America for a certain number of years between the ages of 10 and 18 I believe and they ask for such documentation once you register your children for U.S. citizenship (i had to bring High School transcripts and my college diploma when I registered my oldest for a Report of Birth Abroad ie: an American birth certificate).<br /><br />Susie, children of olim can fly to the U.S and claim citizenship through grandparents and it's perfectly legal. They have to do it in the U.S because it involves naturalization. You can read about the process here: http://isranglo.wordpress.com/2007/03/13/us-citizenship-through-a-grandparent-a-guide-from-the-initiated/<br /><br />This is information on how to report a birth at the embassy: http://usembassy-israel.org.il/consular/acs/CRBAHowtoapply.aspx<br /><br />In short, not sure what this scam involves, but claiming these tax credits is perfectly legit for U.S. citizens, no matter where they live.Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-85304942948165434282009-08-09T11:38:28.608-04:002009-08-09T11:38:28.608-04:00The parents are getting th ecredit - they have to ...The parents are getting th ecredit - they have to have resided in the US in addition to being citizens - thus most olim, and kollel couples in ISrael, are 100% legally collecting this money. The children have to have US citizenship (which they do, being born abroad to Americans) and social security numbers (which they do) even if they are "sabras." The SCAM is about the children of olim who they themselves were born in Israel, grew up, had kids, and fly to the US to pretend to be residents and then claim the money for their children, who are also US citizens. I'm a new olah, and I am entitled to these breaks as much as any other American who moves to London or Toronto to work. Let's not mix up the legal with the illegal. I worked in the US for many years, and I paid a lot of taxes, and I don't want anyone to think everyone getting their rightful benefits is a crook.susienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-8692210932619272512009-08-09T10:19:08.945-04:002009-08-09T10:19:08.945-04:00How do you get by the residency test for qualifyin...How do you get by the residency test for qualifying children?Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-83644037198570997252009-08-08T14:34:02.847-04:002009-08-08T14:34:02.847-04:00Sorry SL, I think you're wrong on this one at ...Sorry SL, I think you're wrong on this one at least when it comes to the tax credits themselves ( i have absolutely no idea what the tax fraud case involves). <br /><br />The tax credit is called the Earned Income Tax Credit. <br /><br />You can read about it here: http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=96406,00.html<br /><br />Any US citizen can file. We are far from charedi, both my husband and I work full time and we have filed for these tax credits, with the help of my father in law, who,again is far from charedi and does everything by the book. We used our current mailing address here in Israel and reported all savings, income and spending down to the last babysitter shekel. There's nothing illegal about filing a tax return and getting a refund. I'm sure some Americans probably resent the idea that American citizens not living in the US are getting "free" money from the government. But you'll have the take that up with the IRS or your Congressman/woman.Commenter Abbihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07753256568022159103noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-14213277841860082502009-08-07T12:24:54.114-04:002009-08-07T12:24:54.114-04:00Joel-There is absolutely no problem in arranging y...Joel-There is absolutely no problem in arranging your taxes to your favor.<br /><br />I believe I know what is doing on here and it isn't about legally minimizing taxes.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-73006115127420141162009-08-07T07:41:43.737-04:002009-08-07T07:41:43.737-04:00tesyaa: I thought the exact same thing when readi...tesyaa: I thought the exact same thing when reading the articles on the symposium. If these rabbis were sick and there were no charedi doctors, would they simply not get treatment? Why is it ok to have non-charedi (and non-jewish) house cleaners? Will they drive a car built by a non-haredi?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-31231506737267665982009-08-07T06:39:41.195-04:002009-08-07T06:39:41.195-04:00Even if there were no chareidi accountants and law...Even if there were no chareidi accountants and lawyers, why would that be an excuse? Is is assur to deal with anyone who has ever had contact with the outside world? Even the chareidi professionals had to go to professional school. Even if they somehow went to an all-frum institution, they would have to take the bar or CPA exam with non-Jews. They have to keep up on case law and precedents, if they're any good. So why is there this remark about chareidi accountants and lawyers?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-52721778250998351152009-08-07T06:02:49.877-04:002009-08-07T06:02:49.877-04:00The main problem is that many charedim do not work...The main problem is that many charedim do not work and they claimed that they paid taxes here in Israel in order to get the refund, which is illegal.westbankmamahttp://westbankmama.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-52742776418593046322009-08-07T05:35:11.922-04:002009-08-07T05:35:11.922-04:00not disagreeing, but also keep in mind a Famous Qu...not disagreeing, but also keep in mind a Famous Quote from Judge Learned Hand <br /> <br /><br />"Anyone may arrange his affairs so that his taxes shall be as low as<br />possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the<br />treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes.<br />Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister<br />in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone<br />does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any<br />public duty to pay more than the law demands." <br /> <br />kt<br />joel richAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-27038430609153131782009-08-07T00:17:02.956-04:002009-08-07T00:17:02.956-04:00Just last week, we got the kupat hair yeshous broc...Just last week, we got the kupat hair yeshous brocure talking about how someone donated to the tzedakah so they were able to get an appt for their 9 children in the US for citizenship since that somehow gets them money. I wondered how they manage that but now I know.<br /><br />The miracle was that they had to cancel the original summer appt since the rosh yeshiva said it is assur to go to the US in the summer, but they managed to get the winter appt in the nick of time!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com