tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post7840758127572284613..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Echad Chacham. . . . Echad Helpless LoserOrthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger48125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-88267613473043465002011-03-30T18:42:28.097-04:002011-03-30T18:42:28.097-04:00Hello all,
I'm a subscriber to kosherkoupons....Hello all,<br /><br />I'm a subscriber to kosherkoupons.com (like groupon), and they just had a store advertising hand shmura matza for $14.50/pound.<br />Yaakov E.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-17705997008363771442010-03-26T20:00:00.969-04:002010-03-26T20:00:00.969-04:00If you don't want Big KosherForPesach to hold ...If you don't want Big KosherForPesach to hold you by the balls, then reserve for yourself the right to consume ordinary kosher or nonkosher if they raise their prices on the holiday.SJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10704885840004960450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-91890907775538297672010-03-22T00:14:17.565-04:002010-03-22T00:14:17.565-04:00To all those advocating early pesach shopping: I a...To all those advocating early pesach shopping: I am one of those who does her pesach shopping a sunday or two prior to yom tov, because I simply don't have any room to hold that stuff. We only have one refrigerator, and all pesach none-perishables I keep in the corner of my living room. Had I gone shopping earlier than I would have had that extra clutter in my living room for longer and my freezer would be stuffed with meats leaving no room for everyday food. Even now, a week before pesach we still have doughy frozen products in the freezer to finish off this week and all of my pesach stuff is in plastic bags on other shelves. After shabbos, I am planning on turning over the freezer, but until then I could still enjoy my ice scream and frozen bread and pelmeni.mlevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831542484906424230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-25251809268380350352010-03-21T23:55:47.479-04:002010-03-21T23:55:47.479-04:00I didn't read through the entire comments sect...I didn't read through the entire comments section, but I do know that there is a reason for higher pricing for kosher l'pesach label. It does cost more to certify it thus. <br /><br />I on the other hand see no problem with overpricing. Every year they sell stuff which is ridiculous, and people actually buy it. Two years ago they were selling ready made salt water. Duh? Hello, how stupid must you be to buy salt water? So, if feel it's necessary to buy it, than I don't see any problem as to why the price of it is a couple of dollars for four ounces.<br /><br />Last year, they were selling kosher l'pesach hot cereal. Currious as to what it is, I decided to read the ingredients. Matzah cake meal, sugar, salt, cinnamon. Then I decided to read directions mix in with boiling water or milk until desired consistency. For extra taste add raisins, apples and other fruits or nuts. The price of the package was five dollars for eight ounces. If you are an idiot and feel the need to buy this product, then I don't see why anyone should be bothered by it's price.<br /><br />This year I haven't seen anything new.mlevinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01831542484906424230noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-25600740381689767912010-03-17T10:55:08.706-04:002010-03-17T10:55:08.706-04:00I second Ariella's first comment!
FYI to grin...I second Ariella's first comment!<br /><br />FYI to grind real horseradish in the food processor you need a tough one. Even once a year this task gives it a workout.<br /><br />I usually make a list of food processor tasks before hand and just get a huge pile of produce or whatever ready and then process away for a couple of hours. I grind and chop and mix and then when it's all done I usually find that's it for all of Yom Tov and I pack the sucker away for next year.<br /><br />Oh, and it's good to keep a sink full of hot soapy water for washing it in between items.<br /><br />It must save me hours in the end.tdrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01150295936306651670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-4952462443894392812010-03-17T09:52:27.454-04:002010-03-17T09:52:27.454-04:00There are some brands of hand shmura priced as low...There are some brands of hand shmura priced as low as $10 a pound. I believe that is the case for the Russian Chabad ones. I only bought it one year because my family objects. They like the very thin hand shmura; the cheaper ones are thick.<br /><br />We do eat the regular Streit's machine matzah throughout Pesach. I'm going to see if I qualify for another almost free box at the supermarket. It used to be free, but now only the Israeli brands are. The Streits comes down to $2.99 for 5 lbs with coupon and minimum purchase. When I am feeling super thrifty and have managed to pick up 15 pounds, I use the matzah that cost next to nothing to make my matzah and cake meal.Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1642336024441216942010-03-17T08:07:37.914-04:002010-03-17T08:07:37.914-04:00SHEVY:
i checked the grocery this morning. hand s...SHEVY:<br /><br />i checked the grocery this morning. hand shmura is $19.99 for a 1 lb box for a few different brands (and $39.99 for 2 lbs., making you pay an extra penny?). machine shmura is $7.99/lb for a 1 lb box (not 10 ounces as where you live). two brands of machine shmura, both imported from israel: glicks (KAJ/breuer's hashgacha) and geula (badatz yerushalayim). (the $5.99 i mentioned is not for shmura but rather 18 minutes.)<br /><br />i don't price matzah, but i assume that in more competitive stores both would be cheaper?<br /><br />in any case, the cost difference is real, especially for people who eat a lot of matzah and eat shmura throughout the 8 days.Lion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-40694883301880830672010-03-16T22:52:53.579-04:002010-03-16T22:52:53.579-04:00I was inspired by the sounds of my kids chanting t...I was inspired by the sounds of my kids chanting the Haggadah with Daddy. Thanks Ariella.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-82965522141965966232010-03-16T22:46:52.321-04:002010-03-16T22:46:52.321-04:00I don't have any insight to add; I just wanted...I don't have any insight to add; I just wanted to tell you how much I love your title.Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-22157700834924595492010-03-16T17:31:06.016-04:002010-03-16T17:31:06.016-04:00SHEVY:
"If $2 to $3 per pound is going to br...SHEVY:<br /><br />"If $2 to $3 per pound is going to break a family's budget they're in big trouble, LOZ."<br /><br />my local jewish grocery (which has average prices and is not one of the ones everyone flocks to for bargains) has 2 machine brands for 5 and change and 7 and change per box (i don't know what type)<br /><br />"They haven't invented a machine yet that can have the intent to be producing food for a mitzvah"<br /><br />so what? even if this is a problem (and it may not be, or this problem may be or this problem may be overshadowed by the view that machine matzah is less likely to be chametz than hand matzah), the mitzvah is only for the first day. why does the matzah consumed on the remainder of the chag have to be made with kavanah?<br /><br />"The only problem is getting shleimahs."<br /><br />because of problems in the past with hand shmura, when i do buy it i open up the boxes and check before i pay.<br /><br />bon apetite and chag samei'achLion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-15827697435958238432010-03-16T16:22:42.996-04:002010-03-16T16:22:42.996-04:00If people can resist buying non-nutritious munchie...If people can resist buying non-nutritious munchies and junk foods year-round, they can resist them on Pesach, too.<br /><br />If not, I suggest they have a broader food problem.Bob Millernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-13368625770285741322010-03-16T13:49:54.952-04:002010-03-16T13:49:54.952-04:00Happens that I have owned a cheap food processor f...Happens that I have owned a cheap food processor for regular fleishigs for the past 9 or 10 years. It was a gift. The bowl has cracked a bit, but the engine is going strong. I don't use it every week, but it has plenty of mileage. But my dairy processor is on the blink and has had a lot less use. It came with a hand mixer that I use a lot, so I don't feel too bad about it.<br /><br />I think they each ran $30 on sale + tax.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-38379371213019487142010-03-16T12:36:35.963-04:002010-03-16T12:36:35.963-04:00I don't think it matters that much what kind o...I don't think it matters that much what kind of food processor you buy for pesach; price is the issue- when you use something one week a year even the cheap ones can last a really long time.<br />last erev pesach (on erev pesach, not two days before) my 28 year old cheap food processor (so it actually had had about a year of hard labor...)dropped dead mid potato kugel- had to send my son out to buy ANYTHING as I had tons of cooking to do; I told him, buy the cheapest thing you find, toivel it and bring it home!<br />worked for me...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-62407363382048713362010-03-16T11:16:52.320-04:002010-03-16T11:16:52.320-04:00TDR:
Ahhh, I never make anything close to that mu...TDR:<br /><br />Ahhh, I never make anything close to that much. I'll make what we need for a meal, no more.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391023891253673160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-7061024894191126552010-03-16T08:42:42.301-04:002010-03-16T08:42:42.301-04:00tesyaa - expensive produce is one of the taxes for...tesyaa - expensive produce is one of the taxes for living outside of Eretz Yisrael. 5 shekel a kilo for tomatoes on netsal (which is pretty much the most expensive shopping option there is...) that's ~ $1.25 a kilo, which is $.60 a lb. Won't be breaking my budget anytime soon...Leah Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16546935038863589318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-37878338736400444122010-03-16T08:25:18.076-04:002010-03-16T08:25:18.076-04:00Dave,
I make a cup or two of mayo, but I can neve...Dave,<br /><br />I make a cup or two of mayo, but I can never seem to get it thick enough with just the whisk. Now that I think about it -- I think it's because I never bought a Pesach whisk.<br /><br />That's not all I use my food processor for BTW.<br /><br />TDRtdrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01150295936306651670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-29013345466405097212010-03-15T19:20:30.115-04:002010-03-15T19:20:30.115-04:00Sorry, I meant to address rachel q's comments ...Sorry, I meant to address rachel q's comments more directly too.<br /><br />If someone was in debt and was going to ask my rav about changing to machine to save a couple of dollars I am 100% certain that my rav would *give* him a pound or two of hand-made.<br /><br />A hundred times more so if they were going to change to regular machine rather than shmurah to save money!Shevyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12360963999613712921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-5379756810530076902010-03-15T19:14:25.567-04:002010-03-15T19:14:25.567-04:00I buy both hand-made and machine shmurah because m...I buy both hand-made and machine shmurah because my grown kids won't eat hand-made. Two packages (note, not pounds, they're only 10 oz each) for $19.98 and 3 pounds of hand-made for $54-57. Really, the difference between $15.98/lb (which is what the machine works out to) and $18-$19/lb is not that much. If $2 to $3 per pound is going to break a family's budget they're in big trouble, LOZ.<br /><br />They haven't invented a machine yet that can have the intent to be producing food for a mitzvah, so I'll stick to the hand-made, thanks. Plus, I prefer the taste and texture.<br /><br />The only problem is getting shleimahs. I admit that we sometimes have to use machine ones for shleimahs by the end of the holiday (even though erev Pesach we open every box of hand-made, check each matzo and pull out all the shleimahs so they don't get used by accident).<br /><br />The only things I normally use the machine made for are making fried matzo (think matzo brei crossed with a large waffle, by coating a matzo with egg and matzo meal and frying it whole) and for a dairy lasagne that fits in a square cake pan. And both of those are gebrokts items anyway.<br /><br />I was in Safeway last night and almost couldn't find the Pesach section other than the display of matzo & matzo meal! Last year they had tons and lots of different prepared food like cake mixes, Pesach pasta, cookies, candy, etc. but times were tough and a lot of it was left over and ended up being put on sale. (Unfortunately nobody frum got much of it because they put it on sale either Shabbos or Yom Tov.) This year there's very little and a lot of the special treat type stuff is gone.<br /><br />Either they didn't order it this year or the manufacturers didn't make it. Believe me, none of the stuff is cheaper.<br /><br />And I like LeahGG's special family breakfast. It's reminiscent of my custom of always serving cottage cheese with cut up cheddar cheese and apple in it for lunch erev Pesach when you've stopped eating chometz but can't eat matza. (It also has plenty of protein and keeps me going when I'm cooking like a maniac.) I like the idea of adding sour cream....Shevyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12360963999613712921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-56538638627321963802010-03-15T10:49:02.586-04:002010-03-15T10:49:02.586-04:00How much mayo are you making at once? I just use a...How much mayo are you making at once? I just use a bowl and a whisk.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391023891253673160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-79685198126837731152010-03-15T09:57:54.853-04:002010-03-15T09:57:54.853-04:00I have no mercy on the author of the article. We b...I have no mercy on the author of the article. We brought this problem to ourselves. IF it's too expensive JUST DON'T BUY IT. Until we are willing to do that needs to be done we can't complain about prices.<br />If someone is in debt and cannot make basic payments (food and shelter) they need to talk to their rav about changing minhagim (to machine made matzah). I simply cannot believe a good rav would "force" a person to risk their lives (by not having enough money to pay for food) for a minhag.<br />If you are in a better financial situation than that and only eat handmande then buy only the bare minimum needed (sdarim, shabbos and yomtov meals) just don't buy so many boxes.rachel qnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-36353226927224942092010-03-15T04:19:24.038-04:002010-03-15T04:19:24.038-04:00SL don't forget that with the food processor y...SL don't forget that with the food processor you can make your own mayo which is WAY better than the pesachdik variety! And matza balls made with home ground matza are really yummy. Yes to Food processor. No to all the other processed junk, which by the way tastes pretty bad in addition to being expensive.<br /><br />Speaking of matza -- the Star K is endorsing only one brand of machine shmura this year. On sale for 9.99/box at the local kosher store. Ouch!<br /><br />For dessert we eat fruit (frozen raspberries BIG treat), meringues, and nut cookies. Stopped buying the pre-packaged cakes and stuff years ago because it tasted like sand.<br /><br />My main Pesach indulgence is kosher l'P Polaner jam which cannot be substituted on matza brei with sour cream.tdrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01150295936306651670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-32946738949288173962010-03-15T03:39:13.970-04:002010-03-15T03:39:13.970-04:00SL: Agree with ProfK. You don't need a workhor...SL: Agree with ProfK. You don't need a workhorse, after all you're not kneading dough, but the Pesach FP will get a good workout over the years.<br /><br />LOZ: Printers are now being sold for practically nothing as the manufacturer gets it back in sales of supplies, especially ink. My printer has a "fast draft" option. You can use refills, no matter what the manufacturer tells you. But they are not so cheap either.mother in israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13715046177293916034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-2505773595024057102010-03-14T22:44:51.169-04:002010-03-14T22:44:51.169-04:00I consider myself an extremely knowledgeable perso...I consider myself an extremely knowledgeable person on food and prices and just returned with my wife from our annual pre-Pesach run.<br /><br />Even thought it still hurts, in all honestly, the sticker shock comes from 2 things: the cost to restock the entire pantry, and secondly, the specialty items - matzahs, desserts, etc. Frankly, the day to day items have really COME DOWN in price in recent years, eg, tuna, cheese, ketchup as the passover market has expanded while the specialty items have gone way way up.<br /><br />Every year we learn another trick or two to keep costs in line. We stock up on virgin olive oil as it is a consistent loss leader in the super market especially during the winter AND it's about 100 times better and tastier than Passover oil. We stock up on the OUP store or hemish brand tuna when it goes on sale. Cheese usually comes down in price a few weeks prior to Pesach (actually opposite meat prices) and we stock up and freeze packaged chicken well in advance.<br /><br />As for specialty items such as cakes, we own an inexpensive pesach mixer and it has paid for itself many times over.<br /><br />Finally, we really keep an eye out for wine bargains all year round. As the manufacturing has expanded to S America, it is very easy to find wine bargains (eg, 3.99 for a half decent Merlot). If we find something that works, we split a case with a friend and realize a 10-20 pct discount. My family never ever drinks grape juice - including our youngest child - we find it so sweet as to far outweigh any health issue the small amount of alcohol in a diluted glass of wine may present. <br /><br />Finally, and I know this doesn't work for everyone, we have limited hand shmura to the sedurim only.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-66162452432555156562010-03-14T18:20:17.551-04:002010-03-14T18:20:17.551-04:00Not much to add to what has been said already, jus...Not much to add to what has been said already, just a few thoughts:<br />1. Potatoes are cheap this week in chain stores in honor of St. Patrick's day. So is cabbage. Good chance to stock up if your space allows. <br />2. Some stores offer case discounts and some food distributors/wholesalers are open to the public. Again, if your space allows, it may be cheaper to get a case of eggs, potatoes, etc.<br />3. Buy things that don't need Passover certification, or mainstream brands that become certified for Passover, on sale in the weeks before the holiday. Domino sugar, both regular and brown, is kosher for Passover year-round. Philadelphia cream cheese is often on sale. So is Breakstone's sour cream. Hershey's cocoa does not need a Passover certification, according to OU (although I have found "frummie" brands to sometimes be cheaper). These are just a few examples, there are many more items. Again, storage may be an issue, so some advanced planning may be required. And items like sugar and cream cheese often go on sale around Easter, since people tend to use them in baking, and Easter most of the time coincides with Passover.<br />Again, nothing here that has not already been said before, just felt compelled to add to the discussion:)Bklynmomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-70894229774315315672010-03-14T16:27:42.732-04:002010-03-14T16:27:42.732-04:00SL,
Definitely go with the bigger food processor b...SL,<br />Definitely go with the bigger food processor but don't just look at the price. Check out the Consumer ratings. A food processor can last for decades if you buy a solidly built one. Replacing a cheap one every few years isn't much of a bargain. Mine is in it's 34th year of Pesach and still plugging away. The company closed down business about 13 years ago but their products still live on.ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.com