tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post238219300863524561..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Orthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-90878183525213577102008-03-12T16:10:00.000-04:002008-03-12T16:10:00.000-04:00When will people realize that being more machmir i...When will people realize that being more machmir isn't being more frum?Leah Goodmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16546935038863589318noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-70554836876313045202008-02-28T21:04:00.000-05:002008-02-28T21:04:00.000-05:00I'm horrified, but my perspective is as the outsid...I'm horrified, but my perspective is as the outsider (not-frum, not living in NYC).<BR/><BR/>I would have to say, that from where I sit, it is the enormous penalties (especially in the Hareidi communities) for non-conformity that give this such <BR/>power. <BR/><BR/>When wearing the wrong color shirt, the wrong hat, reading the wrong book, or other similar issues can have strong and persistent penalties not just to the individual, but socially to the family, any kind of social pressure is going to magnify.<BR/><BR/>I've seen this referred to in places as the Talibanization of Yiddishkeit, and I can't really find disagreement with that term (especially given the stone throwing and rioting from the far right wing in Israel).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-84612736688884412412008-02-28T17:31:00.000-05:002008-02-28T17:31:00.000-05:00"Act in haste, repent in leisure." We've seen an ..."Act in haste, repent in leisure." We've seen an awful lot of the hasty actions, but where is the repenting? <BR/><BR/>The first rule of parenthood is that you cannot tell your children "Do as I say, not as I do." Doesn't seem like those who are "in charge" ever learned that lesson. Do they really think that we are so blinded that we will look at the actions taken and meekly say "yes sir"?ProfKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17954446826821665314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-32886916630463129912008-02-28T16:49:00.000-05:002008-02-28T16:49:00.000-05:00SL,I'm so glad to see you mention the sheitel stor...SL,<BR/><BR/>I'm so glad to see you mention the sheitel store ban and the cancelling of the "big event". I was going to write to you to suggest a post about this but decided against it because it was a political topic and I wasn't sure if you wanted to go into it.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad you have the strength of character and will to post something about this, but honestly more people need to stand up and express their outrage. Right now it feels like Orthodox Judaism is being run by a bunch of hooligans - and the worst part is that these same hooligans have the rabbonim backing them giving them an air of legitimacy and holiness.<BR/><BR/>I don't want to insult the rabbonim since I don't know the circumstances involved, but I hope they realize the public perception of their actions. Rav Kamminetsky admits he had no idea what the ban was about, it was rushed, and that it was all done because some people were upset. Are our rabbonim truly this callous with the weight of their position and the honor and respect people accord their opinions and signatures? Shouldn't they at least put in the same effort, patience, and dilligence, the same investigating all sources, looking at an issue from all sides that they do when looking into a sugya as they do issuing a ban? I simply can't believe how easy it is to manipulate the landscape of Orthodoxy and that rabbonim are actively involved in it.<BR/><BR/>It seems that yiddishkeit is becoming more emotional and less intellectual. Someone doesn't like something so they set out to ban it. What happened to the "good old days" of responsa when someone asked a question of a Rav and the Rav gave a long and detailed answer explaining the sources and the issues at hand before arriving at a solution? Nowadays the general Orthodox philosophy seems to be "err on the side of caution...ban it".<BR/><BR/>And it's not just the hooligans (or as they call themselves, the kanna'im) or the rabbonim who are at fault. Every single person who hears about a new chumra, a new ban, etc is responsible. For example, someone could wake up tomorrow and say "I don't think its right that shuls have a mixed kiddush, it promotes frovolity and improper mixing of the sexes". A ban would be issued, many shuls would feel compelled to follow suit, those that don't would be harassed, people attending those shuls would have their kashrut questioned, etc. But if no one says anything or if people just think "well, I guess it can't hurt" or "it's in the name of hashem" or "better a move to be more religious than less religious" it sets a dangerous trend. And this is what is happening nowadays, these hooligans clothe themselves in frumkeit and people feel powerless to stop them because they feel guilty for saying people shouldn't be more frum. But this is a mistaken attitude in my opinion. Frumkeit shouldn't be defined by what we ban or prevent.<BR/><BR/>In the end, I think so many people are going to be left with a bad taste in their mouths. I can't speak for others, but when I read this kind of stuff it just makes me think "I'm co-religionists with these nutjobs?" It honestly makes me embarassed to be Jewish let alone frum. Furthermore, it makes me think more and more every day that I want to have less and less to do with "organized" orthodoxy. If this trend continues I truly see Orthodoxy splitting in 2 or more pieces.<BR/><BR/>Also, they want to ban all future concerts too it seems. Also, all music that has a "goyishe" source, for example Yidden or Shlock Rock, etc. I fear we're slowly heading into Taliban territory (but of course THOSE people are crazy, we're just frum).<BR/><BR/>Anyways, this all came out in a rush, maybe I'll have more to say later.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-91408159096737479912008-02-28T16:30:00.000-05:002008-02-28T16:30:00.000-05:00I posted this yesterday morning.http://mochassid.b...I posted this yesterday morning.<BR/><BR/>http://mochassid.blogspot.com/2008/02/lipa-ban-and-sanctity-of-contract.htmlMoChassidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09158680133781233026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-5275657057087338352008-02-28T15:51:00.000-05:002008-02-28T15:51:00.000-05:00I agree with you. I believe that this comes from ...I agree with you. I believe that this comes from a place of absolute evil - by which I mean "doing evil in the name of doing good." I wrote about it <A HREF="http://thegameiam.livejournal.com/230237.html" REL="nofollow">here</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-91552174556242488862008-02-28T15:15:00.000-05:002008-02-28T15:15:00.000-05:00Amen!I feel that a better system is needed both fo...Amen!<BR/><BR/>I feel that a better system is needed both for the rabbanim to discern what needs a ban and how to deliver that ban. I agree with you that it is terrible losses were inflicted on other people for little or no reason. <BR/><BR/>If you get a chance, check out my post on how <A HREF="http://wolfishmusings.blogspot.com/2008/02/gedolim-and-how-they-relate-to-common.html" REL="nofollow">how the Gedolim relate to us</A>. I'm definitely open to new ideas on the subject. <BR/><BR/>The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.com