tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post4723031711399366113..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Kollel Stipends and TaxabilityOrthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-6915354794321606462020-06-18T02:36:59.964-04:002020-06-18T02:36:59.964-04:00Thank you for sharing such great information.
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Another thought: The kollel is a chari...Not a CPA,<br /><br />Another thought: The kollel is a charity, those working there are not necessarily. Your average 501 (c) 3 pays salaries to it's administrators, etc...<br /><br />Hesitantly, I wonder how many kollelim provide W2's to the staff, never mind the bachrim. If not, then it's clearly a very large issue, from a tax perspective.Be'ernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-77492751161821053052013-05-22T13:40:26.694-04:002013-05-22T13:40:26.694-04:00Not a CPA,
See the article I linked to in the upd...Not a CPA,<br /><br />See the article I linked to in the update that makes a case for that in limited circumstances. <br /><br />Here are some issues:<br /><br />1. It is NOT charity. The qualification is coming to learn, not having low income. In fact a wife might have a respectable income and the kollel still pays a stipend. <br /><br />2. The organization must be permitted to give grants. Even organizations that give grants will choose not to give cash less it be confused with pay and rather pay bills directly.<br /><br />3. There has to be consistency from an audit standpoint. A yeshiva might be able to designate some stipends as parsonage/Rabbinic pay and others as scholarships/fellowships based on the ordination, duties, degree path, etc. It is a hard case to then throw other students in as "charity cases." <br /><br />4. I don't understand the lack of "obligation" you refer to. If the kollel pays when they can it doesn't turn income or fellowship into charity. If someone receives back rent or back pay that was long forgotten about by the landlord or owner, it doesn't turn the money into something else.<br /><br />Orthonomicsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-20571111741832982582013-05-22T13:09:50.944-04:002013-05-22T13:09:50.944-04:00Why can't it be treated like receiving charity...Why can't it be treated like receiving charity which presumably isn't taxable?<br /><br />There are no specific degrees being worked for.The kollel has no real obligation to pay if they lack the funds.(Many kollelim explicitly warn new recipients of that)It sounds like charity more then a scholarship.Not a CPAnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-2413576022132262902013-05-21T23:47:23.576-04:002013-05-21T23:47:23.576-04:00Correct, tax evasion, but many act out of pure ign...Correct, tax evasion, but many act out of pure ignorance here. You can't claim parsonage unless you were paid parsonage (as determined in advance of the payment by the contract).<br /><br />Of course people should consult their own professionals, not an internet forum. Scholarship vs. Contract pay isn't foreign to CPA firms.Orthonomicsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-43079390401580825492013-05-21T23:16:52.813-04:002013-05-21T23:16:52.813-04:00I think Scenario 1 isn't problematic, I think ...I think Scenario 1 isn't problematic, I think it's pretty straightforward Tax Evasion.. Claiming parsonage or fellowship when you received neither is probably also evasion.. Those the fellowship might be less bad because it's lacking criminal intent.<br /><br />But ask a Tax Attorney, not someone on the Internet.<br /><br />And not a CPA, this is a Tax Law question, not a public accounting one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com