tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post8125234045879725377..comments2024-03-24T05:22:27.179-04:00Comments on Orthonomics: Orthonomicshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-36465095795124190762015-05-08T04:08:55.053-04:002015-05-08T04:08:55.053-04:00Bridal collection for your golden couple :-
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They work with you as if you are in Kleinfeld's, and their gowns are comparable to the ones you rent for 2-3,000 a night. I did not give my daughter a choice. Had to cut costs, as hubby out of a job. B"H she found a gown she loved. I was so thankful. Also borrowed stuff to cut costs, like silk (lifelike) centerpieces and bridesmaid's dresses from Landaus Gemach in BP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-68357993619265841902009-10-12T04:33:30.601-04:002009-10-12T04:33:30.601-04:00Zichron Yehudis Miriam bridal Gemach in Boro Park....Zichron Yehudis Miriam bridal Gemach in Boro Park. I got my daughter's gown there, too. Was a great experience. Paid $130 got everything there... Gown, headpiece, veil, petticoat, shoes! Their number is 718 854 0334. I think they have children's too... not sure.Rachelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14055184996684751764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-23935637360091225372009-09-21T02:39:06.885-04:002009-09-21T02:39:06.885-04:00I don't know why you're saying that a brid...I don't know why you're saying that a bridal gown at a Gemach is $750!?! I borrowed my gown at the local Boro Park Gemach (Ehrenfeld's), a stunning gown. I paid exactly $100. I think they charge a little extra for the headpiece. But you know what? My daughter was thrilled, she looked magnificent...And I was not in debt! I know a lot of Kallahs who got their gowns there... they are comparable to the rentals around town. Their drawback is that they're only open once a week, Sunday eves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-53614256426417042902009-02-03T16:19:00.000-05:002009-02-03T16:19:00.000-05:00Some clarification- I paid 75$ to a gemach in quee...Some clarification- I paid 75$ to a gemach in queens for the dress. I know you don't really have bridesmaids at frum weddings. I am MO, i chose to have them. My wedding was not extremely frum. And to the poster that asked, we saved up for this wedding over a period of 8 months. we were both college students.<BR/><BR/>Any other questions? :)AriSparkleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05353792696786575669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-33006365209872349362009-02-03T13:41:00.000-05:002009-02-03T13:41:00.000-05:00A Rav told us it was kavodik for the kallah to hav...A Rav told us it was kavodik for the kallah to have an "entourage". In his daughters' weddings all the available siblings, cousins, etc made up the entourage. My sisters were part of my entourage.<BR/><BR/>In both of these situations, wardrobe was simply standard wedding fare. Nothing color-coordinated whatsoever.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-61775033284951301642009-02-02T13:35:00.000-05:002009-02-02T13:35:00.000-05:00I'm confused - how did bridesmaids become part of ...I'm confused - how did bridesmaids become part of a frum wedding? (I'm not crticizing, just curious.)<BR/><BR/>Most of the frum weddings I've attended didn't have this, but I was a bridesmaid in two. For one, a woman in the community made our dresses and charged just enough to cover materials and a little bit of parnassah for herself. They were very simple dresses that we could wear again. In the other case, the bride paid for every expense incurred by the bridesmaids, since she is able to afford it and felt that it was so important to her to include her friends.<BR/><BR/>On the other hand, I was a bridesmaid in a non-Jewish wedding, where we were expected to pay for everything. My understanding is that is usually the expectation - you ask someone to participate in your wedding, then make them buy expensive clothes that they'll never wear again, as well as paying for your shower, bachlorette party, gifts, etc. It's a fantastic example of people expecting others to pay for your own extravagances, and a totally un-Jewish idea. So I truly hope this expectation hasn't made its way into the frum world.Estherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09546504942311091442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-83604368792216143392009-02-02T09:37:00.000-05:002009-02-02T09:37:00.000-05:00JLan, hardly anyone reuses bridesmaid dresses (or ...JLan, hardly anyone reuses bridesmaid dresses (or sister or mother of bride dresses in frummer circles that avoid bridesmaids), despite the best intentions of all involved. They're just so ... bridesmaidy.<BR/><BR/>(My cousin wore hers twice to two sisters' weddings, but those weddings were 8 years apart.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-84120974982070461522009-02-02T08:34:00.000-05:002009-02-02T08:34:00.000-05:00as uncle floyd said years agoit takes two people t...as uncle floyd said years ago<BR/><BR/>it takes two people to make a wedding<BR/><BR/>the girl and her motherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-47748225027247613432009-02-01T23:37:00.000-05:002009-02-01T23:37:00.000-05:00One note on the bridesmaid dress thing- if the bri...One note on the bridesmaid dress thing- if the bridesmaids are paying for their own dresses, it's the least the bride can do to pick at least one color that is fairly "normal", so that the dress can easily be reused at other weddings.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-34678211350694689602009-02-01T22:39:00.000-05:002009-02-01T22:39:00.000-05:00"As one mother who wishes she was not supporting a..."As one mother who wishes she was not supporting a son in kollel with no aspirations to ever support his family told me, "what should I do, let them starve?""<BR/><BR/>now that's for a postLion of Zionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10342299133387602141noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-89752119534770449612009-02-01T19:13:00.000-05:002009-02-01T19:13:00.000-05:00rosie-I have plenty of friends that are BTs and so...rosie-I have plenty of friends that are BTs and some of them not only have parents that have contributed to them generously (sometimes the parents prefer to give the children a gift and let them decide how to spent it towards their marriage-and many of them hope they will spend more on the marriage and less on the wedding), but have continued to "support" their children in kollel or with help on downpayments, and yes, even with help on tuition. Oh, and I know PLENTY of grandmothers of BT's who also babysit gratis. <BR/><BR/>As one mother who wishes she was not supporting a son in kollel with no aspirations to ever support his family told me, "what should I do, let them starve?"<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the problem you see is more accute in Chabad. Where I live, it seems the grandparents of BTs differ in how they help, but I don't very few people left out in the cold completely.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-30052852425630237012009-02-01T19:02:00.000-05:002009-02-01T19:02:00.000-05:00I have seen cases where there was little or no par...I have seen cases where there was little or no participation from the family if they are opposed to Orthodoxy. I have also seen cases where the family came but did not contribute financially. There is someone in Lubavitch who raises money for BTs to get married on because their families refuse to pay. The 2 sides that are making financial decisions are the chosson and kallah themselves, rather than their families.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-32690146461415244532009-02-01T19:00:00.000-05:002009-02-01T19:00:00.000-05:00Rachel in Israel, I agree with your view on brides...Rachel in Israel, I agree with your view on bridesmaids. It does seem rather unfair to demand someone undertake the expense for a dress that is usually not her choice of style or color. But I assure you, I have done the research on wedding etiquette, and brides are not required to foot the bill for the dresses; some buy the fabric if the dresses are being sewn, but that's usually the extent of it. And it is traditional to give the bridesmaids some jewelery. But the bridesmaid thing is not at all integral to Jewish weddings, and some find it inappropriate to have such a procession.Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-6920952501310500762009-02-01T12:51:00.000-05:002009-02-01T12:51:00.000-05:00Weddings usually involve 2 families unless the cou...<I>Weddings usually involve 2 families unless the couple or one of them is a ger, BT, or orphan.</I> <BR/><BR/>Even when one or both are not from 'typical' frum families there are ALWAYS two sides involved.Orthonomicshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07892074485262548496noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-77373571409506513972009-02-01T12:14:00.000-05:002009-02-01T12:14:00.000-05:00Dave- you missed Purim, for which you must substit...Dave- you missed Purim, for which you must substitute "drink" into one of those.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-90887950274890489062009-02-01T01:06:00.000-05:002009-02-01T01:06:00.000-05:00who ever heard of Jews celebrating anything withou...<I>who ever heard of Jews celebrating anything without eating</I><BR/><BR/>The Cynic's Guide to Jewish Holidays:<BR/><BR/>1. Something good happened, let's eat.<BR/>2. They tried to kill us and they failed, let's eat.<BR/>3. Something bad happened, let us not eat or drink, and then eat a whole bunch afterwards.Davehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04391023891253673160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-1576094936979099132009-02-01T00:24:00.000-05:002009-02-01T00:24:00.000-05:00"BTW etiquette allows a bride not to pay for the m..."BTW etiquette allows a bride not to pay for the maid's dresses"<BR/><BR/>Please explain why a bride that wants to spend to much can force others spend too much also. <BR/>This is the main reason I didn't have bridesmades or the whole color coordination. I was not going to force anyone to spend money they don't have.<BR/>I now have to find a dress in a specific color for a wedding. If I buy it in America it'll cost more than my wedding dress cost. Not only that now I ear in shekels. $250 is a lot of money in shekels<BR/><BR/>For the fun of it I am trying to explain the concept of bridal party and color coordination to my israeli neighboors. The all start laughing and say "Americans are crazy/stupid". I think that sumarizes it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-43659982912085469492009-02-01T00:14:00.000-05:002009-02-01T00:14:00.000-05:00If you invite people because of their gifts, what ...If you invite people because of their gifts, what will you do when they invite you to their simcha? Make an excuse?mother in israelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13715046177293916034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-50366399565089587532009-01-31T23:22:00.001-05:002009-01-31T23:22:00.001-05:00TESYAA:"The cynical part of me says these people a...TESYAA:<BR/><BR/>"The cynical part of me says these people are often invited because they give good gifts"<BR/><BR/>this is a bad reason (from an investment perspective) to invite someone to simcha, especially when we are talking about the typical orthodox guest. generally our gifts don't come anywhere even close to covering the cost of our presence at the wedding.Abbahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06147724170190982376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-33038577282978671942009-01-31T23:22:00.000-05:002009-01-31T23:22:00.000-05:00One other technical point: the wedding meal has a ...One other technical point: the wedding meal has a halachic status of seudas mitzvah and hence is in some sense obligatory. As mother in israel wrote, in Europe when people were very poor the weddings were done late on Friday so the seudah would coincide with seudas Shabbos and not cost the family another large meal, but there was never an idea of getting married without food (who ever heard of Jews celebrating anything without eating : )Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-3080842862745915372009-01-31T23:12:00.000-05:002009-01-31T23:12:00.000-05:00>>>no minyan or rabbiYou need the minyan ...>>>no minyan or rabbi<BR/><BR/>You need the minyan at the chuppah for the 7 brachos there (Kesubos 7b - minyan l'birkat chassanim b'asarah... etc.) You need the mesader kiddushin based on Kiddushin 6 that you have to be a baki in hilchos gittin v'kiddushin to deal with those areas of halacha. Any Rav worth his title would (should?) volunteer his time to work with a couple and help them get married without sending them a bill for his services that he knows they can't pay.Chaim B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/02231811394447584320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-652561867720954712009-01-31T23:08:00.000-05:002009-01-31T23:08:00.000-05:00Sorry, Rosie, the e got dropped just above.Sorry, Rosie, the e got dropped just above.Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21976303.post-71181824730824743332009-01-31T23:03:00.000-05:002009-01-31T23:03:00.000-05:00rosi makes an important point about being on the s...rosi makes an important point about being on the same page about this. In truth, it is much easier to cut on the FLOP part of the wedding by getting the flowers from a gmach, eliminating all liquor (I've been at weddings were absolutely none was served -- not even wine, getting a one-man band rather than full orchestra, and scaling back on photography. But if the bride's side is opting for all the upgrades at an expensive catering hall and spending thousands on the gowns, etc., they would probably be none-too-pleased with such cost-cutting on the groom's side. If the two sides come from different socio-economic circles, they are more likely to clash on what should be spent on the wedding.Ariella's bloghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09409352047101582583noreply@blogger.com